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Post by wimblephil on Feb 4, 2015 13:44:26 GMT
Ah I see! Thanks for that!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 4, 2015 13:48:45 GMT
The first 24 units were to have been numbered 378001-024 and delivered as 3-car ac/dc units to replace the class 313s on the Euston-Watford and North London lines. The four-car units for the ELL group were numbered 378225-234 (dual voltage, so able to work on the ac lines if needed) and 378135-154 (dc only). The 378/0s were later extended to 4-car and renumbered as 3782xx, and three additional units were also added to the order 378255-257.
The fifth car is being added to all units, so no further renumbering is necessary.
Dictionary NLL: North London Line: Richmond - Stratford WLL: West London Line: Clapham Junction - Willesden Junction DC: "dc lines" Euston-Watford (named by BR staff to distinguish from the "ac" lines running parallel - before 1966 they were the "New" or "electric" lines) ELL: East London Line: Highbury & Islington - Canada Water - Clapham Junction/West Croydon/New Cross/Crystal Palace
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Post by wimblephil on Feb 4, 2015 19:02:47 GMT
Very informative! I find all the information with regards to numbering a bit hard to digest at times. It goes over my head a little. Would be like trying to memorise a (very detailed) spreadsheet...!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 19:28:03 GMT
Conversion is happening quite quickly now. 152 went in last night and I saw the carriage for 153 being delivered. All the '1' series should be done by end of the month, then will start on the '2' series. As of the end of this week all 378/1 units will be 5-car
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Post by Chris M on Feb 11, 2015 0:19:30 GMT
DC: "dc lines" Euston-Watford (named by BR staff to distinguish from the "ac" lines running parallel - before 1966 they were the "New" or "electric" lines) Going off-topic, but the Great Eastern route didn't change the nomenclature with additional electrification so you have the "electric" lines running parallel and adjacent to the identically electrified "main" lines (see e.g. www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/070725_r262007_manor_park_v2.pdf paragraph 22).
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Post by dazz285 on Feb 25, 2015 0:05:11 GMT
Just an additional note.. Several covered 5 car stop boards have been erected on the D.C.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 11:53:17 GMT
Trains on NLL/WLL seem to be stopping at 5 car marks now in preperation for when the 5 car trains arrive, caught me out a couple of times in my half asleep state, wait at second car area at Shepherds Bush, actually get on the third car, arrive at Stratford, wait i'm not by the stairs or pink reader!
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Post by dazz285 on Feb 26, 2015 15:30:39 GMT
Shepherds Bush towards Stratford is the only one at the mo that has moved.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Feb 27, 2015 8:11:40 GMT
Trains on NLL/WLL seem to be stopping at 5 car marks now in preperation for when the 5 car trains arrive, caught me out a couple of times in my half asleep state, wait at second car area at Shepherds Bush, actually get on the third car, arrive at Stratford, wait i'm not by the stairs or pink reader! Shallot, it's obviously a sneaky TfL plan to ensure you personally get a little bit of extra exercise everyday. The last time I was in a half asleep state (or was it tired and emotional?) I ended up catching an ELL instead of a NLL at Highbury. I settled down for a snooze thinking I'd be turfed out at Stratford (no problem there) but was instead turfed out at Crystal Palace (big problem there).
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Post by redbond on Feb 27, 2015 9:02:31 GMT
Trains on NLL/WLL seem to be stopping at 5 car marks now in preperation for when the 5 car trains arrive, caught me out a couple of times in my half asleep state, wait at second car area at Shepherds Bush, actually get on the third car, arrive at Stratford, wait i'm not by the stairs or pink reader! Just wait and see once they do start all stopping at the 5 car mark. On the ELL, twitter was awash with complaints "Why have you taken a carriage off during peak hours?". Yes, there was more than one
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Post by dazz285 on Feb 27, 2015 16:17:42 GMT
5 car training for drivers on the NLL starts on 9th March.. More details if & when I get them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 22:45:24 GMT
5 car training for drivers on the NLL starts on 9th March.. More details if & when I get them. I wonder if there are any platforms on that line that are not long enough. A huge shame that SDO announcements are not carriage specific.
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Post by Hassaan on Feb 27, 2015 23:57:57 GMT
5 car training for drivers on the NLL starts on 9th March.. More details if & when I get them. I wonder if there are any platforms on that line that are not long enough. A huge shame that SDO announcements are not carriage specific. As things stand, there are closures almost every weekend between Camden Road and Stratford in order to extend platforms. I ended up at Dalston Kingsland earlier and neither platform extension there was complete.
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Post by causton on Feb 28, 2015 0:25:59 GMT
Shepherds Bush towards Stratford is the only one at the mo that has moved. And was that actually put up for Southern to use first, anyway, with their 5-car 377s?
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Post by dazz285 on Feb 28, 2015 8:07:29 GMT
As far as I am aware the NLL, WLL & D.C. platforms will all be long enough for 5 car.. No S.D.O. needed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 0:06:12 GMT
Shepherds Bush towards Stratford is the only one at the mo that has moved. Oh right, assumed they all were doing as I saw it at Shepherds Bush.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 0:07:59 GMT
Trains on NLL/WLL seem to be stopping at 5 car marks now in preperation for when the 5 car trains arrive, caught me out a couple of times in my half asleep state, wait at second car area at Shepherds Bush, actually get on the third car, arrive at Stratford, wait i'm not by the stairs or pink reader! Shallot, it's obviously a sneaky TfL plan to ensure you personally get a little bit of extra exercise everyday. The last time I was in a half asleep state (or was it tired and emotional?) I ended up catching an ELL instead of a NLL at Highbury. I settled down for a snooze thinking I'd be turfed out at Stratford (no problem there) but was instead turfed out at Crystal Palace (big problem there). Hahaha Jamie Oliver made my school dinners healthy and now i'm out of that someone out there is trying to get me to do more excercise, bloody nanny state!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 0:11:04 GMT
Trains on NLL/WLL seem to be stopping at 5 car marks now in preperation for when the 5 car trains arrive, caught me out a couple of times in my half asleep state, wait at second car area at Shepherds Bush, actually get on the third car, arrive at Stratford, wait i'm not by the stairs or pink reader! Just wait and see once they do start all stopping at the 5 car mark. On the ELL, twitter was awash with complaints "Why have you taken a carriage off during peak hours?". Yes, there was more than one Not surprising at all the way some of the passengers are! (not just tired and emotional ones)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 13:40:33 GMT
As far as I am aware the NLL, WLL & D.C. platforms will all be long enough for 5 car.. No S.D.O. needed. Well that's an achievement! :-D So will the Watford DC line be getting 5-car trains? Didn't see it mentioned on the promotional posters. Poster
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Mar 1, 2015 20:03:06 GMT
As far as I am aware the NLL, WLL & D.C. platforms will all be long enough for 5 car.. No S.D.O. needed. Well that's an achievement! :-D So will the Watford DC line be getting 5-car trains? Didn't see it mentioned on the promotional posters. PosterI'm sure I read somewhere that the DC will get 5 car trains and then have them taken of them at a later date when new 4 car trains become available. I may be well wrong here but it seems to ring a bell.
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Post by dazz285 on Mar 2, 2015 1:34:08 GMT
Well that's an achievement! :-D So will the Watford DC line be getting 5-car trains? Didn't see it mentioned on the promotional posters. PosterI'm sure I read somewhere that the DC will get 5 car trains and then have them taken of them at a later date when new 4 car trains become available. I may be well wrong here but it seems to ring a bell. Yep that seems to be the case but not 100% confirmd
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 21:51:43 GMT
Well that's an achievement! :-D So will the Watford DC line be getting 5-car trains? Didn't see it mentioned on the promotional posters. PosterI'm sure I read somewhere that the DC will get 5 car trains and then have them taken of them at a later date when new 4 car trains become available. I may be well wrong here but it seems to ring a bell. Why 5 then 4? Doesn't sound right expanding then contracting capacity.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Mar 3, 2015 8:09:06 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere that the DC will get 5 car trains and then have them taken of them at a later date when new 4 car trains become available. I may be well wrong here but it seems to ring a bell. Why 5 then 4? Doesn't sound right expanding then contracting capacity. From what I can gather it's got little to do with capacity, as it isn't needed, but more to do with moving trains around and preparing for 5 car deployments on other lines. The stuff I read said that there's little demand for 5 car trains on the DC lines particularly as most of the capacity is handled by Bakerloo line trains as far as Harrow. When the new batch of 4 car trains becomes available, the 5 car ones on the DC will cascade back to other parts of the Overground that do need them. I assume it's easier to do things this way as the extra 378 carriages can all be manufactured and inserted into trains in one go to save money.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 3, 2015 10:29:49 GMT
Why 5 then 4? Doesn't sound right expanding then contracting capacity. From what I can gather it's got little to do with capacity, as it isn't needed, but more to do with moving trains around and preparing for 5 car deployments on other lines. The stuff I read said that there's little demand for 5 car trains on the DC lines particularly as most of the capacity is handled by Bakerloo line trains as far as Harrow. When the new batch of 4 car trains becomes available, the 5 car ones on the DC will cascade back to other parts of the Overground that do need them. I assume it's easier to do things this way as the extra 378 carriages can all be manufactured and inserted into trains in one go to save money. Yep correct. New 4 car trains (from the GOBLIN / West Anglia order) will release 5 car 378s to enhance frequencies on the NLL and ELL routes. TfL have stated that they will enhance the peak service on the core NLL route to a train every 6 mins when the trains are released from the DC route.
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Post by dazz285 on Mar 6, 2015 13:05:47 GMT
LOCIP update – Sidings at Wembley Reconstruction work is underway to convert the existing sidings located at Wembley into three new, larger sidings. The sidings will house 12 class 378 trains and provide office space for Traincare staff who will be relocating there. These works will also provide the additional space required for stabling. This site will also have a carriage wash installed. Constuction of concrete platforms at C Sidings Wembley “Work currently taking place in the sidings includes the construction of concrete walkways along with drainage works and track work at the north end"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 23:11:35 GMT
Well the 378/2's are steadily being converted. I believe they are up to unit 206 at present but they cannot convert too many at this stage as the works at Willesden TMD are behind schedule.
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