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Post by metrailway on Jun 25, 2015 16:55:05 GMT
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Post by pridley on Jun 25, 2015 17:13:14 GMT
No comments yet on Crossrail 2 so far as I can see. I presume that HS2 is not affected? Frankly, this is outrageous if the projects are cancelled, though if this is an oversight issue, then that is to be welcomed in the long run. However, if the projects are to be shelved or cancelled, it is worth noting that the government can borrow money via 50yr gilts at unbelievably low rates right now of 2.7%, fixed rate for 50yrs, and falling, with the return on investment on projects like this more than justifying the borrowing. uk.investing.com/rates-bonds/uk-50-year-bond-yieldMeanwhile, billions are wasted on "green" taxes to reduce CO2, a colourless, odourless gas that plants breathe, that is measured in parts per million and is less potent a greenhouse gas than water vapour, which accounts for 2% of the atmosphere, whilst the Met Office admits global temperatures have not risen since at least 1997 (almost two decades now), and yet the electricity that powers "sustainable" trains is taxed to death. www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/recent-pause-in-warmingThe Guardian have also stated a few days ago that the sun is cooling and that temperatures are likely to fall globally for a period now, but the big oil companies still demand punitive taxes on coal, and Guardian readers and the UN previously claimed that the sun has no impact on climate. But of course, we still need to monkey hammer our economy with punitive green taxes and fraudulent carbon trading. But not enough cash for "sustainable" rail links, and they tax the fuel used by buses "to save the planet". It is absurd. www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/23/weak-sun-could-offset-some-global-warming-europe-us-studyMeanwhile over £12bn being spent on the EU, similar amount on foreign aid, much of which goes direct to dictators, much of which is spent on arms, produced by UK corporations, in a 1984 style wealth destruction operation, whilst we participate in a European Union that places massive trade barriers to third world countries, particularly in Africa, halting their development. I struggle to get my head around things because there is no lack of money. I can only imagine that there will be a Tory attempt now to break up and privatise Network Rail, with some of it being devolved. This is therefore most likely a political stunt, because the cash and finance is more than available for these projects. Maybe we will see tracks and stations devolved or handed to franchise holders. The sale of rail tracks would yield a massive one off boost to the coffers, but would it deliver infrastructure improvements? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 18:12:58 GMT
Pridley' "I struggle to get my head round things"
You've also struggled to get your head round the Guardian article. A weak sun will 'offset' global warming, not reverse it.
The rest of your post is just laden with tabloid cliches.
HOWEVER, if your point is that electrification of the affected lines should be resumed at the earliest possible date, whaddya know? I'm in complete agreement.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 25, 2015 21:56:09 GMT
No comments yet on Crossrail 2 so far as I can see. I presume that HS2 is not affected? I doubt either will be affected much - since neither was in the five year plan that is now being rescheduled. Still well over the horizon. |
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Post by pridley on Jun 26, 2015 7:42:00 GMT
After all that, now another prediction. The cancellations are so that at the Comprehensive Annual Spending Review, they can announce Crossrail 2 AND HS3.
But I maintain, that spending on infrastructure could be in the region of about £30bn more a year if the nonsense I mentioned is stripped out. Moving to true sustainability from a politically correct version that lines the pockets of certain individuals.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 26, 2015 8:57:14 GMT
pridley There is a rant area on this forum, please use it for ranting.
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Post by trt on Jun 26, 2015 9:31:13 GMT
I have to admit I am seriously disappointed by this announcement. I know this is a London based forum, but those northern lines that won't be seeing electrification anytime soon now... they're horrible for the passengers. I have to wonder how much of the overspend is NR pandering to political pressure from local councillors and MPs about rescheduling their long two/three week shutdowns and spreading them out over several weekends which means reinstating service every two or three days.
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Post by philthetube on Jun 26, 2015 9:52:53 GMT
The thing which strikes me as the biggest problem here is that this announcement has to extend the life of pacers, this means more "modern" diesels will not be available.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 26, 2015 11:45:18 GMT
The thing which strikes me as the biggest problem here is that this announcement has to extend the life of pacers, this means more "modern" diesels will not be available. I don't see that as a given. This announcement is to do with infrastructure investment, not rolling stock. There is nothing to suggest new trains won't still be ordered. However, it may mean more of them will be diesel rather than electric. |
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Post by trt on Jun 26, 2015 11:51:43 GMT
The thing which strikes me as the biggest problem here is that this announcement has to extend the life of pacers, this means more "modern" diesels will not be available. I don't see that as a given. This announcement is to do with infrastructure investment, not rolling stock. There is nothing to suggest new trains won't still be ordered. However, it may mean more of them will be diesel rather than electric. Does that mean the Bombardier deal might be back on? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 26, 2015 12:22:12 GMT
Does that mean the Bombardier deal might be back on? Which one? - Crossrail? LO? I wasn't aware any had been put off |
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Post by pridley on Jun 26, 2015 14:52:24 GMT
Network Rail 'too big', says Sir Richard Branson
BBC News-4 hours ago
Network Rail is too big and should be broken up into regional units, Sir Richard Branson has told the BBC. Many of the delays that passengers ...
(What did I say?) Problem, reaction, solution. Various others will be peddled out to present the pre-ordained "solution". Of course, Branson will be bidding for chunks of Network Rail.
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Post by theblackferret on Jun 26, 2015 15:45:15 GMT
Network Rail 'too big', says Sir Richard Branson BBC News-4 hours ago Network Rail is too big and should be broken up into regional units, Sir Richard Branson has told the BBC. Many of the delays that passengers ... (What did I say?) Problem, reaction, solution. Various others will be peddled out to present the pre-ordained "solution". Of course, Branson will be bidding for chunks of Network Rail. Virgin on the ridiculous?  |
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Post by revupminster on Jun 26, 2015 19:46:23 GMT
With the delay to electrification and diesels not being cascaded, It is more likely D Stock conversions could be seen in more parts of the country than envisioned. I believe one is going to the west country on test. 158's were supposed to take over Exeter to Barnstaple in December.
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 26, 2015 22:17:16 GMT
Are there any A stock left that could also be converted?
Simon (more in hope than expectation)
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 26, 2015 22:27:18 GMT
HS3 could be the alternative to the paused Transport Pennine scheme. Too many bends on the old tracks.
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Post by pridley on Jun 27, 2015 12:54:21 GMT
HS3 could be the alternative to the paused Transport Pennine scheme. Too many bends on the old tracks. I really believe that is what is happening here. To justify Crossrail 2 Hendy must provide a scheme as big, as bold for the north. With this approach, the West gets electrification, London gets Crossrail, London, Midlands and the North get HS2 and the north gets HS3. Scotland should really get HS4 between Edinburgh and Glasgow, to eventually connect with HS2, but I guess that will be their problem, not Westminster's. |
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Post by nickf on Jun 27, 2015 13:02:09 GMT
Let the senior management of any company bidding to take over a part of Network Rail be personally accountable for the standard of service and safety resulting in their bid being successful. Any default in this follows the individuals - no closing down companies and setting up new ones - and would be punished with retribution that would make the Spanish Inquisition recoil in squeamish horror.
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 27, 2015 14:47:03 GMT
Let the senior management of any company bidding to take over a part of Network Rail be personally accountable for the standard of service and safety resulting in their bid being successful. Any default in this follows the individuals - no closing down companies and setting up new ones - and would be punished with retribution that would make the Spanish Inquisition recoil in squeamish horror. - including presumably the comfy chair? |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jun 27, 2015 15:36:02 GMT
Let the senior management of any company bidding to take over a part of Network Rail be personally accountable for the standard of service and safety resulting in their bid being successful. Any default in this follows the individuals - no closing down companies and setting up new ones - and would be punished with retribution that would make the Spanish Inquisition recoil in squeamish horror. - including presumably the comfy chair? . If this were London Overground........"Our three weapons are new trains, longitudinal seating, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Mayor.......oh ****, our four weapons are etc. etc. etc.........."  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 14:51:45 GMT
Seems FGW have been approached about trialling some D Train units. The managers at Arriva Trains Wales have said we are coming to a point where we need more rolling stock.
Angel are still saying they wont modernise the class 142's although after seeing the refurbished prototype I can see the class 143/144's being refurbished for use beyond 2020. I still believe we will be seeing a good few of the D Trains in use on the Valley Lines if anything to replace the class 142's as well as providing additional capacity/ freeing up other dmu's for use elsewhere.
Electrification of the GOBLIN I have read is still going ahead as is the Cardiff Valley lines network the latter we have known for a while wont be completed until 2024.
Whilst it is rather disappointing I do think the government has made the right choice in concentrating on finishing the GW electrification as well as the Goblin and Valley Lines since if we just carried on things would get more chaotic. I do think we will see the Midland/TPE electrification in CP6/CP7
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 2:52:16 GMT
The GWML electrification is an utter shambles between Airport Jct and Twyford with no completed OHLE gantries, no logical approach apparent in the way work is scheduled and carried out and daily signaling failures!
Scrap the GWML scene run IEP's only on diesel power and divert Crossrail to the Heathrow Airport and shelve all GWML electrification plans!
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Post by trt on Jun 29, 2015 10:15:31 GMT
Does that mean the Bombardier deal might be back on? Which one? - Crossrail? LO? I wasn't aware any had been put off I thought that the 2008 qualification round for providing a DMU fleet, which included the north-west, was cancelled in 2011 with the announcement of widespread electrification. Bombardier were the preferred bidder with Turbostar. |
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Post by Hassaan on Jun 30, 2015 1:04:33 GMT
The GWML electrification is an utter shambles between Airport Jct and Twyford with no completed OHLE gantries, no logical approach apparent in the way work is scheduled and carried out and daily signaling failures! Scrap the GWML scene run IEP's only on diesel power and divert Crossrail to the Heathrow Airport and shelve all GWML electrification plans! XF I went over that section about 10 days ago. Between Twyford and Slough there were a decent amount of masts, as well as a number of completed gantries installed. Ok there were signal issues at Southall for two days running last week, but they do seem reduced compared to a few months ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:08:44 GMT
There were no masts between Maidenhead and Twyford 10 days ago and no fully completed masts/gantries between Maidenhead and Airport Jct either!
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Post by Hassaan on Jun 30, 2015 22:47:51 GMT
There were no masts between Maidenhead and Twyford 10 days ago and no fully completed masts/gantries between Maidenhead and Airport Jct either! XF Ah yes, Maidenhead not Twyford, but I'm certain a few gantries were complete until Slough, I did see the horizontal sections extending out in a few places. I was on 165103 on the Up Main (fast line), an ex-Bedwyn service that was non-stop Reading to Paddington. More details on completed sections here. |
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Post by towerman on Jul 3, 2015 12:15:16 GMT
Re MML electrification,Carillion Powergroup are in the process of building a depot on P.way sdgs just north of Wellingborough Station.Bet they'll be pleased if they've done that work for nothing!!
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Post by grahamhewett on Jul 3, 2015 12:18:14 GMT
towerman - I doubt if they'd care - they'll get paid anyway.
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Post by metrailway on Jul 23, 2015 21:13:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 19:37:49 GMT
The GWML ELectrification project demonstrates a lack of project management due to incompetence at the highest levels within Network Rail. Some culling needs to be carried out at this level and someone that knows about railways given the job.
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