Control jumpers on engineers trains

[towerman]

When the works trains were running between Victoria and Brixton prior to the opening of the extension,they had through control jumpers and us poor old call point men had to pull them out at Victoria and then refit them when they came back and do a full control test which is not easy on Battery locos.As far as I know this is the only example I know of engineers trains on LT/LUL using through control,does anyone know any different?

[Deleted]

Pretty much all the engineer trains that i've seen are top 'n' tailed, but I presume from that post that most aren't 'Through Wired'?

Sam

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ca55ie said:

Pretty much all the engineer trains that i've seen are top 'n' tailed, but I presume from that post that most aren't 'Through Wired'?

Sam

Engineers trains, for safety reasons have to have a driver in each loco, as in tube tunnels and sidings there is no safe way for drivers to change ends. They are electrically separate.

[igelkotten]

jim said:

ca55ie said:

Pretty much all the engineer trains that i've seen are top 'n' tailed, but I presume from that post that most aren't 'Through Wired'?

Sam

Engineers trains, for safety reasons have to have a driver in each loco, as in tube tunnels and sidings there is no safe way for drivers to change ends. They are electrically separate.

Jim, do you know if both locos have to be activated, or if one can be run in the train off-line for a period of time until it is needed? Likewise, when an engineer's train changes direction of movement, does the train have to be actually driven from the new leading end, or can the train be propelled from the trailing end, with someone in the leading end acting as a lookout/pilot/whatever?

[towerman]

If the loco on the front was struggling he'd get his mate at the back to give a push.They're always driven from leading loco unless there's a defect,then it's the same procedure as for passenger stock.

[igelkotten]

towerman said:

If the loco on the front was struggling he'd get his mate at the back to give a push.They're always driven from leading loco unless there's a defect,then it's the same procedure as for passenger stock.

Interesting.

The way we operate, it is quite common for the loco to be at the rear of the train, with someone up front keeping a lookout in the direction of travel and keeping in contact with he loco via radio or other means.

Then again, we usually only operate our engineer's trains with a single loco. While you might see several powered vehicles travelling together in a train from time to time, this is done only as away of getting several separate vehicles to a single worksite in a quick and easy way, running them all on a single path.