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Post by trt on May 19, 2023 9:52:28 GMT
The DMIs on Platform 1 at London Bridge seem to have been out of operation for months now. It's useful sometimes to know how long the second train is going to be, especially if there's been a gap in service and the next one in turns out to be uncomfortably rammed.
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Post by Chris L on May 19, 2023 18:28:43 GMT
Same is true of Moorgate southbound.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 19, 2023 22:25:30 GMT
DMIs haven't been working on both Northern line platforms since around fortnight after the new displays on the Jubilee line were put in
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Post by roman80 on May 20, 2023 5:25:26 GMT
What was the reason for replacing them? Canary Wharf has also seen a replacement in the last two weeks. The new ones are much brighter but display incorrect information: there are two on the westbound platform and the one further from the main gate line drops the first train as if it doesn't exist so train 1 on it is train 2 on the other one.
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Post by straphanger on May 20, 2023 16:20:05 GMT
Why can't they anounce the next four trains over the PA? It's a pain arriving on the platform and not knowing what's going on.
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Post by xtmw on May 20, 2023 20:28:08 GMT
Might be a pain but you might have to use TfL Go to check the next trains
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Post by Alight on May 21, 2023 9:25:23 GMT
According to this video of Borough dating to 1985, the screens had only just been installed then (and ironically not working, presumably because they hadn't been activated yet) and this is the same style of screen still in place at London Bridge today. In other words, they are ancient by DMI standards. I wouldn't say it's been months, probably only weeks since they've been not in use. There is a pre-recorded PA announcement read by a member of staff playing on a loop informing customers that the screens aren't working but rest assured the the trains come every 3-5 minutes. Link fixed - Tom |
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Post by trt on Jun 7, 2023 16:36:04 GMT
Seems to be fixed.
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Post by A60stock on Jun 8, 2023 8:49:57 GMT
TFL should really look to start replacing the very worst of these style of DMIs still which are still around. Its amazing that certain principle stations such as Baker street (in particular the deep level platforms) have not had these changed where the text is really starting to fade now. Another really bad example is Euston Square and perhaps Barbican
How old are the oldest examples now?
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Post by trt on Jun 8, 2023 9:52:50 GMT
Might be a pain but you might have to use TfL Go to check the next trains *IF* you're not on poxy Virgin Media who killed their WiFi access in March before they had transitioned their customers to O2... and not everyone HAS a smart phone. Its amazing that certain principle stations such as Baker street (in particular the deep level platforms) have not had these changed where the text is really starting to fade now. It's amazing that they're still going as well as they are! Then again there are still "Next train ->" indicators going after what must be ~150 years... just painted glass and a light bulb of course - the simpler the better! |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 8, 2023 14:48:35 GMT
Something interesting I found out was that some of these old displays can display scroll service messages
I saw some during the time of The Queue seeing them show the message about checking @dcms on Twitter
I presume they don't have the @ sign on their system as there was a blank space where it was on newer displays
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Post by d7666 on Jun 8, 2023 16:33:34 GMT
TFL should really look to start replacing the very worst of these style of DMIs still which are still around. Its amazing that certain principle stations such as Baker street (in particular the deep level platforms) have not had these changed where the text is really starting to fade now. Another really bad example is Euston Square and perhaps Barbican If only you knew how much hassle there is involved with exchanging those things especially on deep tube stations ......................... I will stop there.  |
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Post by A60stock on Jun 8, 2023 16:36:41 GMT
Perhaps so, however, they have replaced others at stations where you could argue a change was not even needed. Many of the stations on the central line being an example more recently, so that cannot be the reason for not changing some of the others, unless there are specific station issues which prevent this.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 8, 2023 18:42:32 GMT
How many of the old Central line ones remain?
It does seem like they're replacing displays that don't need to be replaced.
When Kennington Bank branch reopened, they replaced the displays with the tiny kind used on the platforms at Bank, whilst the display on the CHX platform is still the older, bigger one.
I'm young and can normally read well at a distance but I find these displays harder to read unless I'm quite close to them. On the other hand I can't fault the "new" displays on the JLE
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Post by trt on Jun 9, 2023 10:35:49 GMT
How many of the old Central line ones remain? It does seem like they're replacing displays that don't need to be replaced. When Kennington Bank branch reopened, they replaced the displays with the tiny kind used on the platforms at Bank, whilst the display on the CHX platform is still the older, bigger one. I'm young and can normally read well at a distance but I find these displays harder to read unless I'm quite close to them. On the other hand I can't fault the "new" displays on the JLE It may be that on lines without a budget for renewals they're replacing / repairing some defective or below specification units with ones decommissioned and removed from other stations and lines that do have such a budget. Just bringing forwards a renewal at one place to enable a more serious issue to be fixed elsewhere. I don't know, I'm not privy to that kind of thing. |
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Post by straphanger on Jun 10, 2023 15:12:24 GMT
The new DMIs at London Bridge aren't exactly the most legible.
It's annoying when the DMIs are obscured by other equipment. There are many platforms where one towards the end of each platform would be a great help.
The distribution of platform DMIs at Finchley Central is ilogical.There are two for each of the northbound platforms where trains can go to only five other stations or terminate there. Southbound passengers, where trains serve the rest of the line have one DMI.
You have to wonder why.
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Post by trt on Jun 10, 2023 15:51:12 GMT
I wonder why about a lot of the signage on LU nowadays. Like why did they put the new signs for the underground at Euston on the newly restored ramp to NR platforms 8-11 in such a tiny font? And why are there parts of the Elizabeth Line / LU that contain absolutely no clues as to which direction is to what? Bereft of signage! I'm sure it used to be someone's job to go around and think about what information is needed where, how big it should be etc. |
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Post by Chris L on Jun 11, 2023 7:37:42 GMT
I wonder why about a lot of the signage on LU nowadays. Like why did they put the new signs for the underground at Euston on the newly restored ramp to NR platforms 8-11 in such a tiny font? And why are there parts of the Elizabeth Line / LU that contain absolutely no clues as to which direction is to what? Bereft of signage! I'm sure it used to be someone's job to go around and think about what information is needed where, how big it should be etc. The Underground signage team with around 100 years of experience was given early retirement. The Underground sign manual was also retired as it hadn't been updated. (It didn't need to be.) All Elizabeth line signage was created by architects who were given a free hand but obviously didn't appreciate things like viewing distances. The lead architect refused to have suspended signs in ticket halls and on platforms. He also didn't like vitreous enamel and specified glass wherever possible. This was very expensive and much bigger than necessary in many cases. Ad hoc signage changes go out to the cheapest bidder. Knowledge of the system is not a requirement. |
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Post by trt on Jun 11, 2023 7:49:25 GMT
Accessibility. Passenger flow. Risk assessment for crowding and evacuation etc.
101 reasons why the signage team shouldn't have been disbanded.
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Post by trt on Jun 15, 2023 9:52:12 GMT
The Underground signage team with around 100 years of experience was given early retirement. The Underground sign manual was also retired as it hadn't been updated. (It didn't need to be. TfL have said that station signage is the responsibility now of the Customer Information, Design and Partnerships team. I've asked if they have a standards document. |
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Post by Chris L on Jun 15, 2023 11:58:51 GMT
The Underground signage team with around 100 years of experience was given early retirement. The Underground sign manual was also retired as it hadn't been updated. (It didn't need to be. TfL have said that station signage is the responsibility now of the Customer Information, Design and Partnerships team. I've asked if they have a standards document. The signage on the core section of the Elizabeth line suggests it's not working. This replaced the Signs Manual. content.tfl.gov.uk/elizabeth-line-design-idiom.pdf |
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Post by trt on Jun 15, 2023 12:03:07 GMT
They spelt idiot wrong.
It's this bit I don't get... they've missed the target in my opinion.
Ack - they COPY protected it??!! I'll have to type it out, and my fingers are allergic to BS speak.
Urgh. It makes my skin crawl.
Nothing about where the signs go though.
Hm. Note they use Elizabeth line not Line...
Anyway, this thread was about Northern line DMIs, not signage in general.
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Post by Chris L on Jun 16, 2023 4:17:57 GMT
Hm. Note they use Elizabeth line not Line... Anyway, this thread was about Northern line DMIs, not signage in general. Lower case l for line is correct according to guidelines. The lettering on the new DMIs is too small meet the viewing distance requirements. Buying off the shelf units by procurement no doubt. |
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Post by Alight on Jun 16, 2023 10:41:12 GMT
I can confirm in the past week or so the DMIs at London Bridge are back working again.
On the point around favourite types of screens, I rather like the new ones on the Bank Southbound; they are large and easy to read. My least favourite are the tiny ones mentioned by some of you already e.g. those deployed at on the Central line at Bank or D&C at Victoria etc.
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Post by straphanger on Jul 23, 2023 17:35:25 GMT
Quite often on the northbound platform, just before a train is about to arrive, the DMI goes blank then says "message no loaded" before correcting itself as the train enters the station.
Odd.
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Post by xtmw on Jul 24, 2023 12:26:46 GMT
For the past week or so, the DMI at Holborn just says 'Eastbound - Platform 2' rather then 'Eastbound trains: Central Line'
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jul 31, 2023 0:07:11 GMT
On the point around favourite types of screens, I rather like the new ones on the Bank Southbound; they are large and easy to read. My least favourite are the tiny ones mentioned by some of you already e.g. those deployed at on the Central line at Bank or D&C at Victoria etc. I agree with the display on Bank Southbound, however if you crossover to Bank Northbound it's a different story with the tiny displays... Quite often on the northbound platform, just before a train is about to arrive, the DMI goes blank then says "message no loaded" before correcting itself as the train enters the station. Odd. It did this even before they were turned off, on both platforms. Something I find interesting is that they used to display the destination in all capitals and yet when turned back on displayed in Sentence Case, like at Moorgate or Embankment now. Even before, the two displays were a bit weird.. On the southbound it would be 1 MORDEN 1 min 2 MORDEN 2 mins etc But on the northbound there was an extra space between the letters: 1 E D G W A R E 1 min 2 H I G H B A R N E T 2 mins It did have the font for the small letters as when the train arrived it would display a single line "message not loaded" and then go back to the normal display But just wondering why the extra space between the letters on the NB... I'm fairly sure Embankment used to be all capitals too.. Perhaps it's a software/programming change removing the capitals - if so good on them for still maintaining them instead of replacing them with tiny displays... |
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Post by jimbo on Jul 31, 2023 5:38:44 GMT
Maybe of interest is a recent FoI request which produced three specification standards: S&SD document: 1-312 Automated audio and visual information in public areas of stations and trains, Request ID: FOI-1008-2324, Date published: 27 July 2023 link "The earliest signs still in use are from 1984 on the Northern Line." |
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