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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2007 21:55:39 GMT
Given that the 1992TS are the last fleet of new trains that are actually owned by TfL LU, will the precedent set by the current X-year ownership of the 1995TS and 1996TS by Alstom be perpetuated with the 2009TS and the S stock?
I wonder if anyone 'on high' plans on going to a NR-style model, where TfL LU only owns the fixed assets and everything else is in the hands of the train fleet builders or the infracos. Hopefully there will be an expiry clause where the train fleets revert to TfL LU ownership.
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Post by DWS on Mar 12, 2007 22:11:11 GMT
Alstom do not own the 1996TS.
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Post by c5 on Mar 12, 2007 22:15:49 GMT
I believe that at the end of the PPP all assets will revert back to being owned and operated by LUL. Of course 25 years is a long way off and i can see the Opsco's being flogged off ELL style once the lines are more self-contained, and the olympics are out of the way :-(
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2007 22:22:03 GMT
Alstom do not own the 1996TS. Interesting - I know they own SMD but I thought they owned the trains too. |
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Post by DWS on Mar 12, 2007 22:27:04 GMT
Alstom do not own the 1996TS. Interesting - I know they own SMD but I thought they owned the trains too. Alstom do not own Stratford Market Depot, it together with the 1996 stock was built under the Jubilee Line Extension project. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2007 22:29:47 GMT
Interesting - I know they own SMD but I thought they owned the trains too. Alstom do not own Stratford Market Depot, it together with the 1996 stock was built under the Jubilee Line Extension project. Then I am clearly misinformed - I was always under the impression that Alstom built the 1996TS and SMD under contract to LU as part of the JLE project, but that LU never actually took ownership of either at the time. Could you clarify things please? |
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Post by DWS on Mar 12, 2007 22:50:15 GMT
Alstom (GEC- ALSTHOM) did build the 1996 stock, but it did not build Stratford Market Depot.
Alstom had a 10 year contract to maintain the stock at SMD, it is due to run out in April 2007, Tube Lines have not yet said if the contract will be renewed.
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Post by prjb on Mar 12, 2007 22:51:01 GMT
Both the 09ts and the 'S' Stock will revert back to LU ownership at the end of the PPP contract in accordance with the agreed terms. Not sure what the deal was with the JLE though, I suspect it was a PFI but don't qoute me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2007 3:32:16 GMT
Stratford Market Depot, contract number 112, was built by John Laing Construction Ltd.
Just so you know.
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Post by towerman on Mar 13, 2007 19:04:28 GMT
The only stock that is not LUL owned is 95TS,they're leased from Alstom,by the time PPP runs out they'll almost be due for replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2007 9:56:13 GMT
95ts built under a Private Finance Initiative, Alstom maintain them, having taken over Golders and Morden depots. I think that it was for 20 years. We're already over half way through this, quite what happens at the end of it all, is beyond me at the mo...
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