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Post by metman on Mar 7, 2023 14:51:05 GMT
Trying to stay on topic here, I note the 1973 stock run as 3 car units on their current RAT (rail adhesion train) duties but I wonder if there is a plan to form a 5 car train like the similar(ish) D stock on the Metropolitan to allow a bit more power into the train.
For those not well acquainted with the D stock train, it is a typical 3 car train but with two non driving motor cars added giving 4 out of 5 cars powered.
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Post by metman on Mar 6, 2023 21:02:15 GMT
Experienced operators would have coasted over rail gaps that might cause a problem.
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2023 13:59:00 GMT
Thanks. The twins were flush steel panelled I think with fake teak later repainted to crimson?
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2023 13:03:32 GMT
Ordered now! It should be coming next week. What coaching stock did these A5s work with? I assumed the suburban coaches shown with yours but was there anything around the late 30s or early 40s that might have been used too?
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2023 12:58:14 GMT
I assume we are talking about the smaller 10T vans not the longer Ballast Brakes or the ex WD 20T ones? There are photos in James Snowdon’s Met Rly Rolling Stoke book if you have that. There’s also this layout which is surperb! The brake van there looks pretty spot on in all areas. bambrickstudio.co.uk/whitchurch-road-2/I bought an old LMS brake to use as a donor for the chassis and roof and was intending to scratch build the sides. The chassis will need to be shortened but it makes the job easier.
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Post by metman on Feb 23, 2023 19:52:22 GMT
Looks great I need to call them to get mine!
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Post by metman on Feb 23, 2023 19:50:03 GMT
The draught screen redesign saved the project and allowed the end windows to be added.
It’s hard to say what would have happened. The A stock might have had a refresh and the replacement of non fire rated products minimised where possible.
Anyway that’s all hypothetical, let’s get back on topic….
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Post by metman on Feb 22, 2023 21:08:32 GMT
Slight correction it was a bay of longitudinal seats that has been removed from the 45XX trailer. Only the driving motor and uncoupling non driving motors have a bay of transverse between the double doors in those cars.
There is quite a lot of equipment under these and other seats so as already stated it was a complex and expensive task to relocate it. When the refurbishment programme was being drawn up in the late 1980s the budget was very tight and there were several schemes the nearly didn’t go ahead, eg the A stock refurb.
At the same time wheelchair access was a low priority in the 80s and there were very few stations with level access.
The Piccadilly refurb happened much later and was less about providing wheelchair space and more about adding capacity, especially for the Heathrow service. Remember the Piccadilly is a much busier line and the Bakerloo.
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Post by metman on Feb 14, 2023 21:27:17 GMT
The other plan which was also considered was to convert the 1983 stock to operate on the Piccadilly Line.
The plan was also to convert the large single leaf doors to double doors. Quite a few trailers from the first batch along with second batch were kept after withdrawal.
I don’t know the exact plans with the all the spare cars. Perhaps the middle motors would have been converted to uncoupling non driving motors but using the trailer ends, or they were only retained for their spare doors?
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Post by metman on Feb 14, 2023 21:09:13 GMT
Hopefully it will be available at some point soon.
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Post by metman on Feb 10, 2023 21:49:06 GMT
The LBC Q stock kits are all a little all over the place. Might be worth having a play with it. It is quite straight sided and the roof can be lengthened with reasonable ease.
I’d give it a go.
I have the Radley Models one which I haven’t checked to be honest but matches favourably with the other Q stock cars.
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Post by metman on Feb 8, 2023 17:11:28 GMT
I think there was also a transfer and conversion of several 1972 mk1 stock trains from the Northern to the Victoria Line in the early 90s to which was supplemented by 1962 tube stock.
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Post by metman on Feb 3, 2023 22:50:00 GMT
As with all these capacity upgrades it’s what you do at the end of the line. Stepping back can only achieve so much….
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Post by metman on Jan 30, 2023 23:21:14 GMT
I’m not sure it would.
As it’s still Network Rail I can’t see it being allowed.
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Post by metman on Jan 26, 2023 7:26:33 GMT
Regarding the motors I understood the Q stock had WT54B motors and the pre-1938 stock used WT54 motors. I wonder if there is much difference between the batches and the ‘D’ variety on the battery locos?
Looking at the build date of the current fleet it is interesting to note that the pre-1938 stock was being withdrawn in 1962-66 and the Q stock was being replaced between 1964-1971!
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Post by metman on Jan 25, 2023 19:33:26 GMT
That’s great to hear about a successful partnership between Network Rail and LU. There’s so many negative stories these days it’s good read about a positive one.
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Post by metman on Jan 22, 2023 14:52:17 GMT
A feature of the 1972 mk1 stock on the Northern line was a novel solution to the reversible train requirement. In essence a UNDM on the 3-car could couple to wither the north or south cab on the 4 car depending on its orientation. There was a but........as far as I recall two three car units could couple to each other but the electrical systems wouldn't work. We both replied at the same time!! I often wondered if the two 3 car units could couple and operate, thanks for that information.
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Post by metman on Jan 22, 2023 14:50:37 GMT
Yes that’s right. The main factor with anything is cost. To have trains which are not handed there needs to be a duplication of connections on each side of the coupler.
For example, when the A60/62 stock was delivered in 1961-63 they could couple either way round. This was very useful when trains were turned on the Watford triangle and when temporary formations were required as a result of collisions.
When the A stock was converted to one person operation in the 1980s the additional wiring required for the passenger alarms, communication equipment and a few other things I’ve probably forgotten the trains became handed and most middle cabs were not fitted out with the required door controls etc.
Fortunately for the Met there was quite an excess of stock so it was coped with although the occasional turning trip via the Watford Triangle was still used.
The same happened on the Bakerloo with the 1972 stock now handed. Both Mk1 and 2 stocks were designed with the Kennington loop in mind so that the uncoupling non driving motor could couple to either cab end of the four car portion. This helped out staff at Golders Green and Morden form up trains. Now the 1972 stock on the Bakerloo have their middle 33XX cab permanently confined to the middle of the train. The also operate wrong way round but that’s another story…..
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Post by metman on Jan 21, 2023 8:18:01 GMT
Q stock cars withdrawn. Remember the Sentinels were purchased at the same time the last Q stock was withdrawn.
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Post by metman on Jan 20, 2023 7:50:07 GMT
The tender wagon was made from surplus Q stock bogies as the final withdrawal of the fleet was being completed around this time.
I initially thought the bogies used where ex Q38 bogies but they appear to be K2 bogies now.
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Post by metman on Jan 15, 2023 21:19:13 GMT
No that I’m aware of. Radley Models used to do 2mm LT transfers but they will be unavailable for a while.
I tend to make my own ones on transfer paper.
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Post by metman on Jan 10, 2023 23:53:19 GMT
I was working on the tender wagon for the Sentinel. If there is enough interest I’ll try and get it finished and get it produced.
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Post by metman on Jan 10, 2023 23:48:00 GMT
Regarding the accessibility issue discussed earlier there is now cross platform interchange at Whitechapel (now it’s one large island platform) so by travelling one extra stop, the change between District and Hammersmith and City trains is easier - admittedly with an additional stop.
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Post by metman on Jan 10, 2023 23:39:07 GMT
That’s a good question. The District used a vermillion for its early electric stock but there’s no guarantee that used it for works trains.
The museum might know.
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Post by metman on Jan 10, 2023 23:37:18 GMT
We’ve had 3 sets of emergency road works in Harrow over the last week. It’s not something that was planned it just happened unfortunately. On one of the closures the utility company took it upon themselves to close the road completely without permission!
How does one legislate for that?!
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Post by metman on Jan 8, 2023 12:00:42 GMT
Sounds like a good solution all round. It will allow the 4TC set to work beyond the network and perhaps bring some more revenue in to assist with maintaining the heritage set.
Quick question - do the driving controls still work in the cabs?
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Post by metman on Jan 7, 2023 21:06:14 GMT
Also the Aluminium finish reacted with the air to form a ‘protective’ layer which was a satin grey/white.
Model painting wise, I recently painted up a unit of 1972 stock and used a white primer with a Mercedes Polar silver spray coating. I then gave it a couple of coats of ultra matt clear varnish.
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Post by metman on Jan 6, 2023 10:12:12 GMT
A classic case today, both Circle and Hammersmith and City lines struggling with lack of available train operators.
I don’t know if the situation has got worse but I would expect if there were sufficient operators then the Hammersmith and City would operate with a reduced service and the Circle would be suspended again.
It would be interesting to know what the actual situation was from those on the ground (or perhaps it should be under it!).
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Post by metman on Jan 6, 2023 10:09:08 GMT
I believe that was the case.
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Post by metman on Jan 5, 2023 21:01:14 GMT
I would also agree that the terminating train at Aldgate inner rail would not reverse there (it is even possible?). It is possible for an inner rail train to reverse back into platforms 1-3, from beyond platform 4. Oh yes but you’d upset the Met Line doing that! Actually it’s probably not so much of an issue with CBTC but the train operator still would have to change ends!
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