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Post by metman on Jan 5, 2023 12:40:13 GMT
I agree with the above. Prioritising the Hammersmith and City Line affects fewer passengers. It is not worth trying to run both lines both with large gaps in the service.
I would also agree that the terminating train at Aldgate inner rail would not reverse there (it is even possible?). The train might have become a Hammersmith service or run empty onwards.
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Post by metman on Jan 3, 2023 19:44:31 GMT
Very strange decision indeed.
How much disruption would it have caused stabling at Amersham? Are both sidings routinely used at the same time?
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Post by metman on Jan 2, 2023 21:17:15 GMT
I hope you’re on the mend now.
Black 5 looking good!
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Post by metman on Jan 2, 2023 11:35:21 GMT
I think short train is usually considered shorter than the usual peak time offering but everyone will have their own opinion.
Uncoupling ended on the Met in 1980 and short train operation in 2011 when the Chesham shuttle ended (there was one unofficial weekend of shuttles after the official end!).
The network is so busy now for many services short trains just wouldn’t cut it especially as most formations can’t be shortened anyway. Only the 1973 stock and 1992 stock can technically operate as a shorter formation in passenger service now.
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Post by metman on Jan 1, 2023 10:08:51 GMT
Of course, the two compresssor requirement is a relatively modern one for the older members of the forum! Didn't apply when 3-car 1938 and 1959TS operated off-peak. Since a 6-car had 2 compressors and a 7-car had 3, it led to 6-car 1938TS operating in place of 7-car trains during the Acton Works strike when compressors were in short supply. The two compressor rule was broadly applied on important routes from the about 1936. A special pool of 1938 trailers (with a ‘c’ next to the car number) was formed when uncoupling was reintroduced on the Northern post war. 3 car trains were used on the Bank/City branch and 4 cars on the Charing X/West End branch. I don’t think 3 car 1959/62 stock ran uncoupled (except on the Aldwych shuttle) but the 1956 stock did uncouple. Luckily, the trailers on all 1956-62 stock had two compressors to compensate. O/P stock only had one compressor fitted to the D end driving motor car so usually ran with two units at least. There were some short trains operated with only one compressor. The Northern City springs to mind but this was deemed a minor service and worth the risk.
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Post by metman on Dec 31, 2022 11:01:48 GMT
Access to equipment is a good shout! Some of those contractor banks and compressors were sizeable!
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Post by metman on Dec 31, 2022 10:58:28 GMT
I don’t think 1983 stock could run as a three car either. For tests there was a portable compressor fitted in the saloon?
I remember the A stock returning to Wembley Park at the end of the day on Sundays running as a 4 car train.
The 1938 stock on the Northern City ran as 3 and 4 car trains in the early days until the 6 car train formation was settled on.
I don’t think 1972 stock ran as four cars on any of its lines (Northern, Jubilee and Bakerloo).
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Post by metman on Dec 30, 2022 13:21:43 GMT
If you look at photos of the second batch of 1907 built British Thompson Houston machines they had a similar arrangement.
Some of the Metro Vik locos where rebuilt from the early batches of 1906-1907 locos so might have continued this arrangement. Why that arrangement was the case I don’t know.
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Post by metman on Dec 30, 2022 13:12:11 GMT
I’ve often wondered if a 3 car C stock unit would have been used for the main District Line order if that had ever gone ahead? This would have been able to form 6 and 7 car trains for both Circle and District Line services.
I think in the end passengers did rather well with the D stock.
The two car unit was useful in the small confines of Hammersmith depot.
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Post by metman on Dec 23, 2022 17:53:11 GMT
I don’t think the Waterloo and City 1992 stock or the Victoria Line 2009 stock have deicing cars either.
I assume it’s not so much of an issue at Waterloo but Northumberland Park is a fair size.
I wonder how it is managed there? It can’t be done by hand surely?
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Post by metman on Dec 16, 2022 12:36:33 GMT
I’ve certainly seen photos of damage to Baker Street during the war. Obviously it was business as usual!
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Post by metman on Dec 11, 2022 11:04:59 GMT
I thought the Piccadilly was formed from the Great Northern and Strand Railway and the Piccadilly and Brompton Railway.
I had heard there was a scheme to add a second express District Line so there might be some truth in it.
Of course it might just be the layout of the road above!
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Post by metman on Dec 2, 2022 19:38:03 GMT
The issues with Vivarail do not seem to have affected the class 484 units on the Isle of Wight thankfully.
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Post by metman on Nov 20, 2022 10:58:59 GMT
It appears the West Midlands Trains services are operating so they may serve some intermediate stations such as Wembley Central, Harrow and Wealdstone, Bushey and Watford Junction?
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Post by metman on Nov 11, 2022 20:58:29 GMT
Yes there were others who worked with him so hopefully we will have news later when things settle down.
Obviously, if his family could be afforded some privacy it would be appreciated.
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Post by metman on Nov 11, 2022 15:38:44 GMT
It is my sad duty to confirm that owner Phil Radley has passed away.
I don’t know exactly what this means for the business and what happens next but I will keep you informed when I hear.
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Post by metman on Nov 3, 2022 21:01:04 GMT
I would imagine a couple of 1973 stock trains for RAT duties would be maintained after their withdrawal.
There’s a lot of trees on the East End of the Central so like the Met, there is a heavier leaf load.
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Post by metman on Nov 1, 2022 18:40:14 GMT
I’d recommend spray painting. It leads to a smoother finish.
Invest in a good quality masking tape like Tamyia it will be worth it.
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Post by metman on Oct 31, 2022 22:42:36 GMT
Yes definitely!
Where did you get the model? If you don’t undercoat the model the exterior finish will soak up all the paint.
I’m also doing corporate livery. I started with a white primer, then masked around the doors and sprayed red onto the cab and does. Then I masked the doors themselves and sprayed the body white (not the primer but a finishing layer) and then finished with the blue and then grey roof.
The missile proof cab glass trim was done with a very thin band of masking tape round the cab!
I use black transfer strips to do the over window vents. Don’t even try and paint them!
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Post by metman on Oct 31, 2022 12:44:21 GMT
Currently painting 1972 stock too.
First rule - keep your hands clean. Whenever you handle the unpainted model wash your hands. Any grease on the model will make it hard for the paint to stick.
Second rule - clean up the model. This includes any casting lines, window surrounds etc. If it is a 3D printed model then as you say sand the model down. Wear a mask it is not known if the dust is hazardous.
Third rule - test fit any glazing first. Once the model is painted you don’t want to open up any door or windows to fit the glazing piece into.
Forth rule - use a good primer. Depending on the main colour I use either Halfords white or grey primer.
What colour are you going for?
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Post by metman on Oct 22, 2022 5:49:30 GMT
Point to note - only Class 378's can be used on the East London Line. And Class 378/1's are DC only. The 710/3s are rumoured too be going on hire to Southern to operate the Watford Junction - East Croydon service. However, that may now be in doubt as numbers of pax using that service is slowly growing back towards pre-pandemic levels so 6-units would not be enough to operate a viable service. I’d be surprised if the 710s would be suitable for working the West Coast Mainline route, they only have a top speed for 75mph? Seems largely irrelevant now anyway.
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Post by metman on Oct 19, 2022 18:31:25 GMT
I expect that was exactly the reason, especially when if you work out the number of doors to be treated it would be about 3784 doors!
A lot of the work was done in conjunction with the chassis strengthening works to the Bakerloo fleet including replacing the old Reavell compressors with spare Westinghouse ones on the Mark 1 cars.
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Post by metman on Oct 18, 2022 21:05:20 GMT
Makes perfect sense thank you. You can hear it all going on too.
What I meant by engaging was the point where the resistances might have finished cutting out. For example on the 72s the time taken to cut of the resistances seems to take longer than the later stock 73/D78 but that might be perception due to the noise. You can certainly hear the series camshaft followed by the parallel on the Bakerloo. I love it and will always ride a motored car if possible.
Cheers.
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Post by metman on Oct 17, 2022 21:40:29 GMT
Yes the 710s were built for the Barking branch and also to take over the Watford DC line. The spare 378s were destined to improve performance on the East London Line particularly.
There are quite a few class 378 in use and as stated they should have a lot of life left in them.
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Post by metman on Oct 17, 2022 21:15:58 GMT
I find the D stock and 1973 stock seem to engage quicker than the older stocks like the A C and 67/72. There seems a lot more ceremony with them but I guess it’s just a newer version on the 1973 stock. The 1972 has a camshaft bank for each pair of motors I think which is a legacy from the automatic operation on the former Victoria Line 1967 stock?
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Post by metman on Oct 3, 2022 20:01:39 GMT
I think historically it must have come about once the rolling stock arrangements were unified.
Until the late 1950s the Hammersmith and City used 6 car O stock and the Circle 5 car P stock.
Some experiments had begun to convert the 5 car P stock on the Circle to CO/CP stock. The Circle fleet was extended to 6 cars with spare Q38 trailers converted to make each train up of two 3 car units. In the early 1960 the Hammersmith and City O stock was converted to CO stock. Once the fleets could be interchangeable I expect things started to change. This was continued with the C69 stock which consisted of 35 and 1/3 trains displacing the 37 COP trains. As the fleets were combined they needed fewer spares.
As far as the travelling public were concerned the Hammersmith and City was becoming more independent getting its own salmon colour in 1990!
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Post by metman on Sept 25, 2022 20:01:17 GMT
Always nice to see A stock shame it doesn’t work anymore!
5034 was first and last in passenger service. As said the 10 year anniversary of their withdrawal is here.
6110 is kept for future use as a generator coach for the Q stock project.
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Post by metman on Sept 23, 2022 21:04:31 GMT
I assume the old shuttle track will remain out of use? It’s a shame really as it might add to capacity at busy times.
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Post by metman on Sept 21, 2022 20:39:46 GMT
I’m no expert but I understand the air line is controlled by the ATP system in a similar way as it was when the tripcock was the main safety device.
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Post by metman on Sept 9, 2022 21:22:04 GMT
They were working yesterday morning. How strange. Must be intermittent.
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