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Post by davidp on Mar 7, 2013 10:06:08 GMT
Day | Starts | Starts From | End | Ends At | Line Number | Between | Run Number | Mon to Fri | 15:00:55 | Beckton Depot | 01:02:02 | Galleons Bridge | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 151 | | | | | | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 251 |
I presume that you mean either Galleons Reach or Deptford Bridge for the finishing location of this train? Oops! My bad. I meant Deptford Bridge
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Post by davidp on Mar 5, 2013 15:26:44 GMT
Since downloading the DLR working timetable CSV files loaded onto the website of What Do They Know following a Freedom of Information request, I've been trying in my spare time to pull together some information. My intention is to come up with full timetables but in the meantime, can I ' entertain' you with the table at the bottom of this e-mail which shows where and when each train starts from and ends up during the course of the day and on what line(s) they work on and which run number(s) they use. Most trains start at either Beckton or Poplar Depot and end up at a station close to one of them (but not necessarily the one that they started out at that morning), though some allegedly start/end at various other stations with no indication on the source data from which Depot they may have started from or return to. As I mentioned in a previous post, the last journey for one train is from Lewisham to Deptford Bridge but I've no idea why it only does that short section of route in service or what happens to the train after that. Some trains stick to the same line and running number throughout the day (they all do on Saturdays and Sundays) but those trains on Line 15 (Bank to Lewisham via Avoiding Line) that are out after 9pm switch to Line 14 (Bank to Lewisham via West India Quay) and switch running numbers from 201+ to corresponding 101+ numbers, so for instance the train using Run Number 204 will switch to 104 after 9pm, 207 becomes 107 etc. Stratford International trains switch between corresponding 801+ and 401+ numbers depending on whether they are working to Woolwich Arsenal (peak times) or Beckton (all other times). Stratford to Lewisham trains that stay out after the morning peak (501 to 503) become Stratford to Canary Wharf trains 626,622 and 624 respectively. Hopefully that explains this table so that even Boris Johnson can understand it but please let me know if I can make it clearer or if you have spotted any mistakes. Day | Starts | Starts From | End | Ends At | Line Number | Between | Run Number | Mon to Fri | 06:03:28 | Beckton Depot | 19:28:38 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 201 | Mon to Fri | 05:24:55 | Beckton Depot | 20:40:38 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 202 | Mon to Fri | 05:07:53 | Beckton Depot | 21:01:17 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 203 | Mon to Fri | 06:15:28 | Beckton Depot | 01:06:17 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 104 | | | | | | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 204 | Mon to Fri | 04:56:14 | Poplar Depot | 19:48:38 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 205 | Mon to Fri | 06:23:28 | Beckton Depot | 10:12:33 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 206 | Mon to Fri | 05:44:55 | Beckton Depot | 00:47:34 | Bank Headshunt | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 107 | | | | | | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 207 | Mon to Fri | 05:04:58 | Poplar Depot | 21:21:17 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 208 | Mon to Fri | 05:52:55 | Beckton Depot | 01:05:11 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 109 | | | | | | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 209 | Mon to Fri | 05:14:58 | Poplar Depot | 21:31:17 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 210 | Mon to Fri | 06:43:28 | Beckton Depot | 10:32:33 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 211 | Mon to Fri | 06:04:55 | Beckton Depot | 01:15:11 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 112 | | | | | | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 212 | Mon to Fri | 05:08:55 | Beckton Depot | 21:41:17 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 213 | Mon to Fri | 06:12:55 | Beckton Depot | 01:25:11 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 114 | | | | | | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 214 | Mon to Fri | 05:55:28 | Beckton Depot | 21:51:17 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 215 | Mon to Fri | 05:30:00 | Bank | 10:36:45 | All Saints | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 216 | Mon to Fri | 15:00:55 | Beckton Depot | 01:02:02 | Galleons Bridge | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 151 | | | | | | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 251 | Mon to Fri | 15:20:55 | Beckton Depot | 21:11:17 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 256 | Mon to Fri | 15:40:55 | Beckton Depot | 20:12:38 | Galleons Reach | Line 15 | Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line | 261 | Mon to Fri | 05:29:30 | Tower Gateway | 01:06:06 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 301 | Mon to Fri | 04:54:05 | Beckton Depot | 01:16:06 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 302 | Mon to Fri | 05:04:05 | Beckton Depot | 01:26:06 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 303 | Mon to Fri | 05:14:05 | Beckton Depot | 01:16:20 | Poplar | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 304 | Mon to Fri | 06:31:32 | Beckton Depot | 01:26:20 | Poplar | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 305 | Mon to Fri | 05:24:05 | Beckton Depot | 00:46:06 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 306 | Mon to Fri | 05:00:47 | Beckton Depot | 10:02:44 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 307 | Mon to Fri | 05:29:42 | Blackwall | 19:14:44 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 308 | Mon to Fri | 15:51:32 | Beckton Depot | 00:56:06 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 357 | Mon to Fri | 05:19:47 | Beckton Depot | 00:51:01 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 401 | | | | | | Line 154 | Stratford Intl and Woolwich Arsenal | 801 | Mon to Fri | 05:18:18 | Beckton Depot | 19:53:36 | Galleons Reach | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 402 | | | | | | Line 154 | Stratford Intl and Woolwich Arsenal | 802 | Mon to Fri | 05:28:18 | Beckton Depot | 01:11:01 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 403 | | | | | | Line 154 | Stratford Intl and Woolwich Arsenal | 803 | Mon to Fri | 05:21:11 | Poplar Depot | 01:18:31 | Galleons Reach | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 404 | | | | | | Line 154 | Stratford Intl and Woolwich Arsenal | 804 | Mon to Fri | 05:27:18 | Stratford International | 10:55:22 | Poplar | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 405 | | | | | | Line 154 | Stratford Intl and Woolwich Arsenal | 805 | Mon to Fri | 06:05:53 | Beckton Depot | 00:31:01 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 406 | | | | | | Line 154 | Stratford Intl and Woolwich Arsenal | 806 | Mon to Fri | 04:59:05 | Beckton Depot | 00:41:01 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 407 | | | | | | Line 154 | Stratford Intl and Woolwich Arsenal | 807 | Mon to Fri | 15:25:53 | Beckton Depot | 01:01:01 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 452 | | | | | | Line 154 | Stratford Intl and Woolwich Arsenal | 852 | Mon to Fri | 07:13:29 | Stratford | 01:05:02 | Poplar | Line 75 | Stratford and Lewisham | 501 | | | | | | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 626 | Mon to Fri | 07:25:29 | Stratford | 00:59:51 | All Saints | Line 75 | Stratford and Lewisham | 502 | | | | | | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 622 | Mon to Fri | 06:34:42 | Poplar Depot | 00:57:21 | All Saints | Line 75 | Stratford and Lewisham | 503 | | | | | | | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 624 | Mon to Fri | 05:23:27 | Poplar Depot | 09:56:51 | All Saints | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 504 | | | | | | Line 75 | Stratford and Lewisham | 504 | Mon to Fri | 05:09:51 | Poplar Depot | 10:08:51 | All Saints | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 505 | | | | | | Line 75 | Stratford and Lewisham | 505 | Mon to Fri | 05:19:51 | Poplar Depot | 10:20:51 | All Saints | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 506 | | | | | | Line 75 | Stratford and Lewisham | 506 | Mon to Fri | 06:23:54 | Poplar Depot | 00:47:53 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 601 | Mon to Fri | 06:35:54 | Poplar Depot | 21:02:51 | All Saints | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 602 | Mon to Fri | 05:29:51 | Poplar Depot | 21:14:51 | All Saints | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 603 | Mon to Fri | 06:23:54 | Poplar Depot | 00:47:53 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 621 | Mon to Fri | 06:35:54 | Poplar Depot | 21:02:51 | All Saints | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 623 | Mon to Fri | 05:29:51 | Poplar Depot | 21:14:51 | All Saints | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 625 | Mon to Fri | 05:30:01 | Poplar Depot | 01:28:20 | Poplar | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 701 | Mon to Fri | 05:00:02 | Beckton Depot | 01:08:50 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 702 | Mon to Fri | 05:10:02 | Beckton Depot | 00:44:55 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 703 | Mon to Fri | 05:20:02 | Beckton Depot | 00:54:55 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 704 | Mon to Fri | 05:30:29 | Woolwich Arsenal | 00:58:20 | Poplar | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 705 | Mon to Fri | 04:54:41 | Beckton Depot | 10:17:53 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 706 | Mon to Fri | 06:26:01 | Poplar Depot | 01:14:55 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 707 | Mon to Fri | 05:23:26 | Blackwall | 01:24:55 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 708 | Mon to Fri | 15:38:01 | Poplar Depot | 19:37:53 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 709 | Saturday | 05:07:42 | Beckton Depot | 01:06:48 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 101 | Saturday | 08:28:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:56:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 102 | Saturday | 04:56:24 | Poplar Depot | 01:01:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 103 | Saturday | 08:38:28 | Poplar Depot | 20:06:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 104 | Saturday | 05:04:55 | Poplar Depot | 01:06:02 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 105 | Saturday | 07:48:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:16:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 106 | Saturday | 04:58:39 | Beckton Depot | 01:16:02 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 107 | Saturday | 07:58:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:26:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 108 | Saturday | 05:08:39 | Beckton Depot | 01:10:22 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 109 | Saturday | 08:08:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:36:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 110 | Saturday | 05:30:00 | Bank | 01:02:33 | Deptford Bridge | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 111 | Saturday | 08:18:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:46:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 112 | Saturday | 05:03:10 | Beckton Depot | 00:56:22 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 301 | Saturday | 05:13:10 | Beckton Depot | 01:06:22 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 302 | Saturday | 05:23:10 | Beckton Depot | 01:16:22 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 303 | Saturday | 04:58:48 | Beckton Depot | 01:08:35 | All Saints | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 304 | Saturday | 05:25:00 | Poplar Depot | 01:18:35 | All Saints | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 305 | Saturday | 05:28:15 | Tower Gateway | 00:36:22 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 306 | Saturday | 04:53:10 | Beckton Depot | 00:56:10 | Galleons Reach | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 307 | Saturday | 04:58:10 | Beckton Depot | 01:01:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 401 | Saturday | 05:08:10 | Beckton Depot | 01:11:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 402 | Saturday | 05:18:10 | Beckton Depot | 01:18:52 | Galleons Reach | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 403 | Saturday | 05:28:10 | Beckton Depot | 00:31:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 404 | Saturday | 05:37:28 | Beckton Depot | 00:41:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 405 | Saturday | 05:25:46 | Stratford International | 00:51:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 406 | Saturday | 05:07:14 | Poplar Depot | 00:55:31 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 601 | Saturday | 05:17:14 | Poplar Depot | 01:05:31 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 602 | Saturday | 05:14:11 | Poplar Depot | 00:48:26 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 603 | Saturday | 05:24:11 | Poplar Depot | 00:58:26 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 604 | Saturday | 05:11:30 | Beckton Depot | 01:26:37 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 701 | Saturday | 05:21:30 | Beckton Depot | 01:29:51 | Poplar | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 702 | Saturday | 05:31:55 | Woolwich Arsenal | 01:09:11 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 703 | Saturday | 04:55:03 | Beckton Depot | 00:46:37 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 704 | Saturday | 05:05:03 | Beckton Depot | 00:56:37 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 705 | Saturday | 05:30:45 | Poplar Depot | 00:59:51 | Poplar | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 706 | Saturday | 05:01:30 | Beckton Depot | 01:16:37 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 707 | Sunday | 06:37:42 | Beckton Depot | 00:16:02 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 101 | Sunday | 09:58:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:26:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 102 | Sunday | 06:26:24 | Poplar Depot | 00:10:22 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 103 | Sunday | 10:08:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:36:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 104 | Sunday | 06:34:55 | Poplar Depot | 00:02:33 | Deptford Bridge | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 105 | Sunday | 10:18:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:46:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 106 | Sunday | 06:28:39 | Beckton Depot | 00:06:48 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 107 | Sunday | 10:28:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:56:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 108 | Sunday | 06:38:39 | Beckton Depot | 00:01:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 109 | Sunday | 10:38:28 | Poplar Depot | 20:06:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 110 | Sunday | 07:00:00 | Bank | 00:06:02 | Galleons Reach | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 111 | Sunday | 09:48:28 | Poplar Depot | 19:16:43 | All Saints | Line 14 | Bank and Lewisham via WIQ | 112 | Sunday | 06:33:10 | Beckton Depot | 00:06:22 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 301 | Sunday | 06:43:10 | Beckton Depot | 00:16:22 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 302 | Sunday | 06:53:10 | Beckton Depot | 00:08:35 | All Saints | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 303 | Sunday | 06:28:48 | Beckton Depot | 00:18:35 | All Saints | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 304 | Sunday | 06:55:00 | Poplar Depot | 23:36:22 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 305 | Sunday | 06:58:15 | Tower Gateway | 23:56:10 | Galleons Reach | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 306 | Sunday | 06:23:10 | Beckton Depot | 23:56:22 | Beckton | Line 123 | Tower Gateway and Beckton | 307 | Sunday | 06:28:10 | Beckton Depot | 23:31:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 401 | Sunday | 06:38:10 | Beckton Depot | 23:41:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 402 | Sunday | 06:48:10 | Beckton Depot | 23:51:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 403 | Sunday | 06:58:10 | Beckton Depot | 00:01:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 404 | Sunday | 07:07:28 | Beckton Depot | 00:11:22 | Beckton | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 405 | Sunday | 06:55:46 | Stratford International | 00:18:52 | Galleons Reach | Line 151 | Stratford Intl and Beckton | 406 | Sunday | 06:37:14 | Poplar Depot | 23:58:26 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 601 | Sunday | 06:47:14 | Poplar Depot | 23:55:31 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 602 | Sunday | 06:44:11 | Poplar Depot | 00:05:31 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 603 | Sunday | 06:54:11 | Poplar Depot | 23:48:26 | Poplar | Line 26 | Stratford and Canary Wharf | 604 | Sunday | 06:41:30 | Beckton Depot | 00:29:51 | Poplar | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 701 | Sunday | 06:51:30 | Beckton Depot | 00:09:11 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 702 | Sunday | 07:01:55 | Woolwich Arsenal | 23:46:37 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 703 | Sunday | 06:25:03 | Beckton Depot | 23:56:37 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 704 | Sunday | 06:35:03 | Beckton Depot | 23:59:51 | Poplar | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 705 | Sunday | 07:00:45 | Poplar Depot | 00:16:37 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 706 | Sunday | 06:31:30 | Beckton Depot | 00:26:37 | Galleons Reach | Line 136 | Bank and Woolwich Arsenal | 707 |
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Post by davidp on Feb 28, 2013 17:01:47 GMT
Still difficult to beat Johnson tho'! Although I think creamtfl's designs are quite brilliant in presenting what is now really a very complex system, it's difficult to escape the conclusion that if this were a freestanding system in an averagely-sized city, it would by now have its own coloured or numbered route diagram. The same might be said for LOROL, too, these days. Bolting them onto the tube map as a network of undifferentiated coloured lines is pretty confusing for anyone but the initiated. Don't suppose tho' that TfL will do anything bold... G Giving LO separately identified routes shouldn't be hard as the only complexity is that the West London Line sometimes acts as a branch of the North London Line and sometimes doesn't. The DLR as has been said many times is more complicated though as the route pattern is far more flexible. Perhaps each possible route should be numbered and listed with a note that not all services run all the time. Something like No.
| Route | 01 | Bank - Bekcton
| 02 | Bank - Lewisham
| 03 | Bank - Stratford via Bow Church
| 04 | Bank - Woolwich Arsenal
| 05 | Tower Gateway - Beckton
| 06 | Tower Gateway - Lewisham
| 07 | Tower Gateway - Stratford via Bow Church
| 08 | Tower Gateway - Woolwich Arsenal
| 09 | Stratford - Lewisham via Bow Church
| 10 | Stratford International - Beckton via West Ham
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| Stratford International - Woolwich Arsenal via West Ham
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| Beckton - Lewisham
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| Woolwich Arsenal - Lewisham
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Alternatively/Additionally the common short workings (Canning Town, Canary Wharf, Greenwich, Mudchute, Blackwall, Poplar, Prince Regent) could be separately identified, but that's probably getting too complicated BTW, The DLR does have it's own internal line numbering --> www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/104512/response/257324/attach/7/Line%20Names.pdfThe ones in regular use are : 14 Bank and Lewisham via West India Quay 15 Bank and Lewisham via Avoiding Line 26 Stratford and Canary Wharf 75 Stratford and Lewisham 123 Tower Gateway and Beckton 136 Bank and Woolwich Arsenal 151 Stratford International and Beckton 154 Stratford International and Woolwich Arsenal
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Post by davidp on Feb 28, 2013 16:50:07 GMT
Well, Kentucky Tony's comment has, unfortunately, been replicated many times by friends I have shown this map to. So, due to overwhelming demand to see Stratford moved up from underneath Bank, and to reduce the chasms between interchange spots at Poplar and Stratford, I unveil this: dl.dropbox.com/u/51034087/DLR-H2Ds.pdfNeeds just a little edit as it's only southbound trains from Bank that don't serve WIQ before 19:00 on weekdays. And to be pedantic (who? moi!) since the last minor timetable changes at the end of January, southbound trains from Bank don't stop at WIQ until after 21:00
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Post by davidp on Feb 17, 2013 16:17:39 GMT
I'm looking through the latest working timetable for the DLR (effective from 30/01/2012 and available via an FoI request - and yes I know there have just been some changes but those are not yet published via this method) from which I can see that most duties end up at either All Saints, Beckton, Galleons Reach or Poplar Stations, but that Run Number 102's last journey is from Lewisham (at 00:58) to Deptford Bridge (arr 01:02).
Most duties start at either Beckton Depot or Poplar Depot - there are ones that start early at Bank (Run Number 216), Woolwich Arsenal (706) and Stratford International (401/801) and so presumably run dead from the Depot to the outer terminal to take up their duties. There is one other however (Run Number 205) that starts at Greenwich (at 05:12) and I was wondering whether this train was the same one that finished at Deptford Bridge some 4 hours earlier and had just been stabled away from the depot overnight?
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Post by davidp on Feb 15, 2013 15:58:41 GMT
Jubilee trains are exactly every 2 minutes at that time ... I thought that there were 24 trains per hour at peak times not the 30 suggested by the above reply? Memo to self: Should really check these things thoroughly first. Sorry, you are of course correct that during the busiest part of the morning peak, there are 30 trains per hour southbound through Baker Street
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Post by davidp on Feb 15, 2013 15:34:01 GMT
Jubilee trains are exactly every 2 minutes at that time ... I thought that there were 24 trains per hour at peak times not the 30 suggested by the above reply?
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Post by davidp on Jan 20, 2013 10:33:22 GMT
Wow! That looks really good. My only suggestion would be to edit the area around Canning Town, because it doesn't show that trains run from Stratford to Beckton. Actually it does. You may have to zoom in a bit to fully appreciate that but the 'curve' from the Beckton line to the Stratford International line just to the left of Canning Town is there. I think it just illustrates the point about how difficult it is to make these diagrams both comprehensive and clear. Kudos to creamtfl for his excellent efforts.
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Post by davidp on Jan 8, 2013 16:32:18 GMT
Some trains on the Bank to Lewisham service are based at Beckton Depot and some of those run to or from Gallions Reach when going into or coming out of service.
So it's quite possible that the train you saw was just coming into service to take up it's duty in the evening peak.
At the end of the morning peak, I've seen some heading up from Lewisham towards Gallion's Reach (for Beckton Depot) or All Saints (for Poplar Depot).
And no problem with your English, I easily understood what you meant - and I can't say that of some native English speakers !
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Post by davidp on Dec 26, 2012 13:14:34 GMT
The siding does seem redundant now; if it were removed it would give a much more straight route going south into Mudchute. I used to commute it daily and the train would always go too fast over that section and throw you violently sideways just entering the platform at Mudchute, but I went down there again recently and the train went slower so it wasn't as bad. But I suppose the expense of actually removing the siding far outweighs the cost of keeping it there, so it'll probably just be left as is. I think that I'm probably misreading the above post, but I'm not sure why the siding at Crossharbour caused a violent sideways movement on trains entering platform 1 at Mudchute. There is a noticeable lurch going into that platform but that's because of the relatively tight curve at the north end of the platform and the speed at which trains used to take it. I do agree that the centre siding at Crossharbour is redundant but I would have thought that the ongoing costs of maintaining the points/signalling/trackwork there would be more expensive than the one-off cost of removing it.
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Post by davidp on Dec 24, 2012 12:35:52 GMT
I can't help but feel that Crossharbour trains should be extended to terminate at Mudchute, then the Crossharbour headshunt can be altered so that the headshunt is on the easternly track and the Southbound track can then be straight. What Crossharbour trains? There's been no scheduled trains terminating at Crossharbour for several years now. In other threads, posters more informed than me have said that the Crossharbour headshunt isn't long enough to take 3-car trains and every trains going south of Canary Wharf is 3-car long. Also in other threads, it's been mentioned that there have been a couple of weekends when the Beckton branch has been closed and the Tower Gateway service was diverted to terminate at Mudchute instead, but apart from that it's only when (very) late running Lewisham services that have been turned short or during signalling/track problems south of the river that Mudchute platform 3 gets a work out. And of course technically trains don't have to use that platform to turn back, thanks to the comprehensive signalling and the scissors crossover north of the station, southbound trains *could* terminate at any of Mudchute's 3 platform and return back north.
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Post by davidp on Nov 20, 2012 15:46:55 GMT
I'm just wondering if the OP could confirm exactly which services are affected?
AFAIK, the services to and from Stratford International were 3-car trains only for the duration of the Olympics, although [mis-]reading of some Press Releases may have given an different impression - to me at any rate! These services supposedly returned to 2-car trains in September (unless anyone knows differently of course).
Is the OP saying that the Tower Gateway to Beckton service is also back down to 2-car trains?
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Post by davidp on Oct 31, 2012 8:06:56 GMT
Only pre-tested timetables are allowed. The speed updates were completed after these were produced so the changes to make use of the improvements will have to happen after the Olympics With the Olympics well and truely out of the way, is there any word on when new speeded-up timetables will be introduced?
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Post by davidp on Jul 20, 2012 15:24:00 GMT
I'm glad it's just not me thinking that dwell times had increased. Though I had assumed it was to do with the Olympics and the anticipated increase in numbers using the DLR, most of whom would be unfamiliar with the system.
I can't see how an increase in maximum speed could noticeably affect dwell times since the stations are so close together so trains are unlikely to be able to go any faster between them.
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Post by davidp on Jul 13, 2012 11:25:18 GMT
Just a heads up really to anyone who didn't know but Pudding Mill Lane station closes after tonight (Friday 13th July) and won't reopen until Wednesday 12th September after the Paralympics have finished.
I can understand why it would be deemed necessary to close this station during the games since it couldn't possibly cope with the volume of traffic it may attract, but does anyone know why it needs to close 13 days in advance of the Opening Ceremony?
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Post by davidp on Feb 12, 2012 12:57:25 GMT
On 14th January, the Stratford to Greenwich service was curtailed at Mudchute in the early afternoon due to signalling problems in the Greenwich area. Not good, though I gather the problem was cleared within a couple of hours. However, given the volumes of people expected to use the DLR (and South East Trains) to leave Greenwich after the Equestrian events - I've seen some reports suggesting that even with the enhanced service, some people may be queuing for 2 hours to get on a train - everyone must be keeping their fingers crossed that there are no technical problems then.
And of course, one of the things that can't easily be tested is how thousands of visitors, not used to the DLR or the Tube will take to find their correct train, pass through ticket barriers, board trains, exit trains at the correct station or to exit platforms so that there's sufficient space on the platform for the next train to pull in and disgorge it's passengers.
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Post by davidp on Jan 22, 2012 19:44:34 GMT
Its closed for 2 weekends in February as well. Its an utter disgrace, This extension cost over £200 million to build. Since the day this extension opened its been a laughing stock of the railways. Considering this line only covers 6 stations, everybody particularly those at Canning Town are just so bewildered and confused by the way this service is being operated. This line should not be closing for anything, This line should be state of the art. We can argue the toss as to who is running this shambles, Serco, DLR or even Boris but whoever is responsible should be shown the door. This is no way to run a railway in this day and age! I'm not happy whenever a branch of the DLR is closed for the weekend, but I tend to accept that the DLR don't really do that for the sheer hell of it and that there really is work to be done and since they do give notice of the closures and provide alternative transport where they can, I can usually get on with what I'm supposed to be doing without too much of a problem. I'm not sure how what is happening this weekend makes the DLR a "utter disgrace" or a "laughing stock" or "shambles", please could you expand your argument?
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Post by davidp on Jan 11, 2012 11:23:06 GMT
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Post by davidp on Jan 8, 2012 13:42:03 GMT
A sticker has appeared on the poster timetable at Mudchute Station (and presumably others) that the timetable changes will include 3-car trains on the Bank to Woolwich service during the daytime and increases in frequencies for some (unspecified) evening services.
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Post by davidp on Nov 6, 2011 17:08:24 GMT
What was interesting about the couple of journeys that I did over the weekend were the number of people who were just expecting all southbound trains to go to Lewisham and so weren't looking at the indicators on the platform; weren't looking or listening to the automated announcements on the trains or the manual announcements from the PSA advising passengers travelling to stations between Island Gardens and Lewisham to change at Crossharbour, but then thought it was someone else's fault that they arrived in the bay platform at Mudchute - those that noticed at that point of course and didn't stay on the train waiting for it to depart southbound and looked a little surprised when it went out northbound.
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Post by davidp on Nov 5, 2011 15:04:39 GMT
With the Beckton branch being closed this weekend, trains from Tower Gateway are running to Mudchute.
Is this the first time that Platform 3 at Mudchute has been used for a *SCHEDULED* service?
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Post by davidp on Aug 1, 2011 15:50:50 GMT
There are stickers appearing on the Timetable posters on at least some DLR stations (well OK, I've just seem them at Mudchute but ..) saying that that there will be an amended timetable from some point in August in preparation of the introduction of the SI service.
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Post by davidp on Jun 26, 2011 13:55:05 GMT
Does anyone actually know what the frequency will be between Stratford International and Beckton/Woolwich Arsenal? I would have expected them to build a 3/4 platform terminus at Strat Int. to maximise the possible frequency but they didn't do so. Therefore I'm guessing it can't be more than 6tph to Beckton, 6tph to Woolwich Arsenal As the July 2011 Modern Railways confirms, the frequency when the line opens will be an x8min service to Woolwich Arsenal at peak times and a x10min service to Beckton at other times. As I've said tirelessly on other threads, there just aren't enough trains to do anything else
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Post by davidp on Jun 19, 2011 11:24:07 GMT
Just looking at the TfL website and seen that the DLR is suspended on all routes except between Poplar and Woolwich Arsenal, which I'm presuming is because of London City Airport. What's going on that is requiring such a big suspension? You are right that it's much bigger than normal and my first thoughts were that it was for some major software upgrade perhaps to do with Stratford International services and that they've taken the opportunity to carry out physical track repairs where necessary - there were signs of workers on the tracks near Crossharbour station on Saturday morning for instance. But as for the Woolwich Arsenal branch being kept open mainly because of LCY? You may be right of course, but LCY is closed between 1pm (or so) on Saturday until the same time on Sunday so there wouldn't have been that much demand to serve. And of course, just as Canary Wharf and the Isle of Dogs were inundated with all these extra buses, two separate lots of roadworks meant that no buses could leave Canary Wharf via West India Avenue towards Westferry and there were massive queues to get on and off the Isle of Dogs via Eastferry Road.
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Post by davidp on Apr 23, 2011 13:52:37 GMT
There are 149 LRVs. By around 0700 there are 46 trains in service. This is made up of 9 trains on TOG - BEC, 16 trains on BAN - LEW, 9 trains on STR - CAW/LEW and 12 trains on BAN/CAT - WOA. So, 18 LRVs + 48 LRVs + 23 LRVs + 24 LRVs = 113. When TOG - BEC goes 3 car, that makes 122. When STI opens, don't be expecting the overall frequency to and from Beckton and Woolwich Arsenal to double. Indeed, I'm not expecting any increase in frequency to Woolwich Arsenal, I didn't say anything about that. But by the end of the year, all trains on all lines will be 3-car trains, so without any frequency increases, the existing lines would require 46 3-car trains and there are only enough units to form 49 3-car trains so if the Stratford International to Canning Town (and beyond) x8 min peak service requires an additional 3 trains, that's it, no spare trains, no breakdown or maintenance cover and none to operate a peak time Beckton to Stratford International service which earlier DLR publicity suggested would happen. Not without frequency REDUCTIONS anyway.
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Post by davidp on Apr 18, 2011 13:40:12 GMT
By my reckoning there are 44 sets in service at the moment in the morning peak. At 3 cars each thats 132 vehicles. That only leaves 5 sets available for the Stratford International service, although the 4 currently on the Woolwich to Canning Town shuttle will be used on the Stratford International service making 9 sets available for the new route(s). Perhaps, you're right there will just about be enough vehicles but it doesn't leave much flexibility if things go wrong. I thought it was 45 sets on the morning peak run, so that would 135 vehicles if all were 3-car worked. An x8 minute service between Stratford International and Canning Town would (I think) require at least 3 extra trains increasing the pvr to at least 48 units/144 cars. And whilst half of these could join the current x16 minute service between Canning Town and Woolwich, I was under the impression that the other half were going to run to Beckton needing (I think) a further 3 trains, making a grand peak run out of 51 units/153 cars. As Docklands has indicated, the maximum number of 3-car trains you can have at the moment is 49. (94 units of B90/B92/B2K stock forming a maximum of 31 3-car trains and 55 units of B2007/B2009 stock forming a maximum of 18 3-car trains).
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Post by davidp on Apr 17, 2011 17:09:10 GMT
Were the DLR to get enough new units that all services could be three-cars in length, would the existing depot space be sufficient to store them all? [/quote]
Others could probably answer that theoretical question with more authority but I think the point is that they are not getting any more units than are currently in stock. So if all services are to be provided by 3-car trains, then there must be some frequency cuts somewhere.
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Post by davidp on Apr 17, 2011 12:03:59 GMT
3 car trains on the Beckton branch are expected to start in May. Any news on when we can expect 3 car trains on the Woolwich Arsenal branch? The current print version (but not as yet the on-line version) of The Wharf newspaper is reporting that all DLR services will be 3-car by the end of the year. And yes, I know that as we've discussed on here before that there aren't enough units to operate 3-car trains on all of the proposed services so I wonder if there will be a decrease in frequency on the Beckton and/or Woolwich lines when 3-car trains are introduced? It also reports that the services from Stratford International towards Canning Town and beyond will start this summer; that trains will operate up to every 8 minutes and will operate to Woolwich Arsenal, Beckton or just to Canning Town.
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Post by davidp on Apr 3, 2011 10:10:44 GMT
3-car trains on the Lewisham to Bank service at weekends seem the norm now. However the DLR are only running 2-car trains this weekend on that line - The Beckton branch is shut so I am presuming trains cannot get out of Beckton Depot and that Poplar just hasn't enough units to provide a full 3-car service. Anyone confirm?
Also possibly connected with this is that the x5 minute service continued until about 10:30pm on Saturday - it normally drops to x10 mins from about 7:30 pm.
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Delays
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Post by davidp on Mar 24, 2011 13:06:26 GMT
The DLR seems to be having a bit of bad luck recently with the morning peak service suffering from significant delays at least three times within the past week or so. "Signal failures" seem to be the common explanation. Can anyone elaborate?
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