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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2006 22:16:30 GMT
For some reason, I'm getting quite enthusiastic about the forthcoming 09TS, although it will be a shame to see the 67TS go- it's had a good innings. personally speaking ,as someone that travels on the vic every day to and from work ,i cant wait to see the back of these god awful heaps of metal on wheels . they are uncomfortable , the air conditioning is a complete joke .( even in the winter its like a furnace down there) . they are noisy, they are smelly , i cant actualy think of anything good to say about the rust buckets at all, yes indeed, bring on the new stock, ASAP
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Post by prjb on May 24, 2006 22:19:36 GMT
Not offhand, sorry. I could ask the engineers but naturally I would need to disclose why I was requesting the information. I'm not sure if Bombardier would consider this sensitive information.
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Post by Tomcakes on May 24, 2006 22:22:08 GMT
Sensitive?! Hmm, there we go....
When they're delivered then statistics will no doubt come out on their stopping distances at emergency braking etc., so the acceleration can be calculated.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2006 22:22:38 GMT
For some reason, I'm getting quite enthusiastic about the forthcoming 09TS, although it will be a shame to see the 67TS go- it's had a good innings. personally speaking ,as someone that travels on the vic every day to and from work ,i cant wait to see the back of these god awful heaps of metal on wheels . they are uncomfortable , the air conditioning is a complete joke .( even in the winter its like a furnace down there) . they are noisy, they are smelly , i cant actualy think of anything good to say about the rust buckets at all, yes indeed, bring on the new stock, ASAP They are very reliable for their age, and intensity of service! Not offhand, sorry. I could ask the engineers but naturally I would need to disclose why I was requesting the information. I'm not sure if Bombardier would consider this sensitive information. Surely, its not too sensitive? Most manufacturers print this sort of information on their websites.
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Post by prjb on May 24, 2006 22:27:07 GMT
I know what your saying, but Bombardier can be a bit funny with this sort of stuff. Last year I took a photo of a 'D' Stock going into the refurb production line and was politely informed that I should really have got permission. These trains were designed in the early seventies and have been running around London ever since, so I can't imagine what they would be like about their latest products! I will enquire for you though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2006 18:03:08 GMT
For some reason, I'm getting quite enthusiastic about the forthcoming 09TS, although it will be a shame to see the 67TS go- it's had a good innings. I didn't write that, it was David! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2006 16:07:03 GMT
Theres a feature in the latest Modern Railways 'bout the new trains. Some very good CAD's are shown, together with some internal layout plans. Worth a browse if I may say so myself!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2006 19:54:07 GMT
A browse? So you didn't buy the magasine then? ;D
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Post by mandgc on Jun 26, 2006 4:50:44 GMT
Browsing-
" An article a day" - Thats my motto !
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Post by mandgc on Jun 26, 2006 4:54:20 GMT
"G.A. Heaps of Metal" (Repy# 60)
Wait till some find their way to Ongar or Quainton Road and people will be queueing up to ride in them !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2006 17:07:48 GMT
A browse? So you didn't buy the magasine then? ;D Sam Nah, I just stood in the shop and BROWSED its pages, hence posting the word BROWSE. If I had of bought it, I would have said so... But, I was TEMPTED to buy it.....!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2006 17:45:07 GMT
It's quite a good article, I even bought a copy! Good information about the train, but few actual stats (e.g dimensions, seats/standing spaces, train performance rates etc). Doesn't make any promises about line capacity increases either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2006 21:07:17 GMT
How much of a leap forward will this stock be? will the interior be more 92 or 95ts. Are they going to be that much better for performance and reliabilty?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2006 5:51:41 GMT
How much of a leap forward will this stock be? will the interior be more 92 or 95ts. Are they going to be that much better for performance and reliabilty? I hope they'll be most like the 95ts (beautiful stock ;D), but dunno really as those were Alsthom and these are Bombardier.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2006 7:00:55 GMT
How much of a leap forward will this stock be? will the interior be more 92 or 95ts. Are they going to be that much better for performance and reliabilty? The interior has some quite significant differences to the 92TS and 95/96TS interiors. Have a look at the pictures in Modern Railways. As far as performance and reliability. The trains will have very high acceleration and decceleration so as to increase line capacity and reduce journey times. The reliability is claimed to be better, as the train uses more off the shelf componants (shared with other Bombardier MOVIA metro stock) , but at the end of the day the quality of maintenance makes a significant difference to train reliability. So we will just have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2006 18:10:30 GMT
Last year I took a photo of a 'D' Stock going into the refurb production line and was politely informed that I should really have got permission. When the first refurb D came back I was in Ealing Common Depot with an IO and we got told off for taking pictures!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2006 11:28:23 GMT
According to Metromess, they're doing the customer acceptance testing of the '09 carriages at Euston from 21st July to 4th August with some replica thing they've built out of plastic and sand [much like the real 09TS]. Also, photos: www.metronetrail.com/default.asp?sID=1088006490140So if you think anything about it is a bit rubbish, you can go and tell them. I might complain about the lack of wood being used in train construction these days
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2006 12:00:47 GMT
Interesting pics. That seat fabric is a bit bright!
Not sure what's meant to be "striking" about the exterior. And they claim the new trains are larger, how can that be?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2006 16:46:46 GMT
Interesting pics. That seat fabric is a bit bright! Not sure what's meant to be "striking" about the exterior. And they claim the new trains are larger, how can that be? The bodyshell is thinner as it uses Bombardier FICAS technology. Thus the internal space is slightly larger for the same external dimensions. I don't know if the external dimensions are any larger, but if the line is built with a loading gauge larger than the 67TS dimensions, then it would be possible.
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Post by prjb on Jul 17, 2006 18:29:15 GMT
According to Metromess, they're doing the customer acceptance testing of the '09 carriages at Euston from 21st July to 4th August with some replica thing they've built out of plastic and sand [much like the real 09TS]. Also, photos: www.metronetrail.com/default.asp?sID=1088006490140So if you think anything about it is a bit rubbish, you can go and tell them. I might complain about the lack of wood being used in train construction these days Ok, lets get something straight. This is not a replica made out of plastic, it is a real 09 stock car made in exactly the same way and with exactly the same materials as the main fleet which is currently under production. Probably best if you don't pop down if you are genuinely not going to go with an open mind. For everyone else, the VLU would love to hear from you and get your honest and open opinions. There are also some staff days before the CAT testing, so if there are any staff who want to come down PM me and I will see what the procedure is. I will be there on some of the staff days and would love to walk you guys around. Unfortunately we have to stay well clear for the public CAT testing though!
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Post by prjb on Jul 17, 2006 18:31:27 GMT
Interesting pics. That seat fabric is a bit bright! Not sure what's meant to be "striking" about the exterior. And they claim the new trains are larger, how can that be? The bodyshell is thinner as it uses Bombardier FICAS technology. Thus the internal space is slightly larger for the same external dimensions. I don't know if the external dimensions are any larger, but if the line is built with a loading gauge larger than the 67TS dimensions, then it would be possible. The 09ts has been built to the maximum size the guage will allow in order to maximise internal customer space. The external dimensions are most definately bigger than the 67ts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2006 20:07:25 GMT
The bodyshell is thinner as it uses Bombardier FICAS technology. Thus the internal space is slightly larger for the same external dimensions. I don't know if the external dimensions are any larger, but if the line is built with a loading gauge larger than the 67TS dimensions, then it would be possible. The 09ts has been built to the maximum size the guage will allow in order to maximise internal customer space. The external dimensions are most definately bigger than the 67ts. I'd be interested to know the dimensions (particularly width) if you happen to know them. Otherwise I might have to take my tape measure to Euston! I assume that it'll be OK to take photos of the 09TS mock up?
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Post by prjb on Jul 17, 2006 20:54:23 GMT
If I can fish the dimensions out I will let you know. I realise it must seem weird that I don't know them or have a document to hand but my main concerns are in the cab and to a lesser extent under the floor so it's not an area I usually deal with. As for photo's, I don't know is the honest answer. I won't be there on public days but I will ask the question when I am there on Wednesday and let you know. Wow, two questions and two 'I don't know' answers - I'm rubbish!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2006 22:29:13 GMT
The 09ts has been built to the maximum size the guage will allow in order to maximise internal customer space. The external dimensions are most definately bigger than the 67ts. Considering the line and trains were specially built at the same time, why were they not built to the same dimensions? BTW, the 09 stock car was featured on the BBC local news tonight.
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Post by prjb on Jul 17, 2006 23:15:03 GMT
I would say that the 67's were actually built to fit the Picc line (smaller tunnels) rather than the, then new, Vic tunnels. As you know, the Picc was their method of transfer onto the line and has the only connection to the rest of the combine. Today was media day for the mock up, so I'm not surprised it has been featured. Hope you'll be able to make it down to take a look.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2006 10:29:06 GMT
I would say that the 67's were actually built to fit the Picc line (smaller tunnels) rather than the, then new, Vic tunnels. As you know, the Picc was their method of transfer onto the line and has the only connection to the rest of the combine. Let me get this straight. The Picc line is the only connection between the Vic and the rest of the world, and the new Vic stock will be too big to fit through the Picc tunnels..... I see the hand of Spike Milligan in this.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 18, 2006 14:05:03 GMT
I seem to recall that there was no road access to Northumberland Park Depot, so other than craning in trains via NR how in heck is any new stock going to get on to the Victoria Line if it is out-of-gauge for the Piccadilly Line?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2006 15:41:12 GMT
I seem to recall that there was no road access to Northumberland Park Depot, so other than craning in trains via NR how in heck is any new stock going to get on to the Victoria Line if it is out-of-gauge for the Piccadilly Line? Would it be possible to restore the connection to NR and tow the trains into the depot, after having been lifted onto NR rails at somewhere convenient?
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Post by Oracle on Jul 18, 2006 15:51:58 GMT
Would it be possible to restore the connection to NR and tow the trains into the depot That makes sense! Delivery via West Ruislip then NR across the top of London to the depot via a new link! Using Metronet Class 66 motive traction perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2006 16:14:22 GMT
Going by Google Earth, there now appears to be some half decent road access to Northumberland Park Depot.
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