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Post by maxtube on Jul 7, 2009 20:23:23 GMT
Heard yesterday at 21:45 on the Hammersmith and City Eastbound at Euston Square. 'Could the gentleman with the bike who has just boarded this train, please turn the back light of his bike off. This message is for the gentleman with the bike.'
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Post by Colin on Jul 7, 2009 20:32:45 GMT
That's different!
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Post by setttt on Jul 7, 2009 21:45:23 GMT
Cyclists who take their bikes on the tube without turning their lights off are an absolute menace. If you point a red light towards an oncoming train then the likelihood is it will be interpreted by the driver as a stop signal, and I've reacted as such in the past by stopping short of the platform... only then realising that what I was looking at was actually the back of a push bike pointing down the tunnel towards me with the owner completely unaware of the confusion caused. I often wonder why it isn't the subject of poster/PA campaigns in the same way flash photography is!
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Post by Rich32 on Jul 8, 2009 8:01:47 GMT
I often wonder why it isn't the subject of poster/PA campaigns in the same way flash photography is! I agree. The amount of times I've had to remind cyclists to ensure their lights are off before allowing them through the manual gate  But I believe in most cases this is due to ignorance on the cyclists part and an educational campaign would be a good idea to raise awareness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 8:19:09 GMT
I was blessed with a particularly vocal driver with a wonderful West Indian accent on the H&C during the recent flood disruption:
"This train is BUSY, so would passengers on the platform please try and make use of all the doors. Your money pays for four sets of them so it would a shame to waste them."
"I apologise, but this train will not stop at Edgware Road due to flooding. As we pass through though, if you look at the platform you'll see that they are trying to mop it up."
Certainly cheered me up a bit.
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Jul 13, 2009 23:08:45 GMT
I hate people who bring bikes on trains - because being disabled (but not in a wheelchair) im very badly co-ordinated and the amount off bikes ive tripped over on trains because the owner had to put it in my path...............
worst are those idiots who bring thier bike on a train for such a short distance (ie Elm Park -Upminster) they could have cycled there anyway without causing an obstruction on the train.
The fact that its not a lot of customers - rather its a minority who have to bring thier bike on a train makes me think thier just doing it to be awkward, so as far as im concerned if you must go somewhere on a bike then you make the whole journey by bike or leave it at home.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 7:50:16 GMT
Surely the sole idea of allowing bikes on train/tubes is to allow those people who don’t have a car to transport their bikes to go on routes they would not normally go.
So what your saying for example is that say if I wanted to cycle around Greenwich Park, living out in Essex, I would have to cycle all the way to Greenwich before my ride and then cycle all the way home. As keen on cycling as I am, that is just a bit too much, when I can take it on a train/tube to get there.
Whilst I fully understand the point you are making, all it takes is a little common sense from everyone and there should be no-reason why bike/passenger cannot accommodate each other an any type of train.
As for the original question, could LUL not provide posters etc to highlight the problem with bike lights etc?
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Post by happybunny on Jul 14, 2009 9:05:15 GMT
LUL need to put signs in the multi-purpose areas identifying that this is the area for wheelchairs, cycles, and pushchairs. Not just wheelchairs... The south west trains services (there red and blue trains at least) are very very cycle friendly, providing insets for the wheel to insert into and also straps to secure the cycle. Then they are out of the way and not causing an obstruction. The signage is also very clear what the areas are for and how to secure cycles/pushchairs/wheelchairs.
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Post by pakenhamtrain on Jul 14, 2009 9:40:58 GMT
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Post by Tom on Jul 14, 2009 20:48:58 GMT
worst are those idiots who bring thier bike on a train for such a short distance (ie Elm Park -Upminster) they could have cycled there anyway without causing an obstruction on the train. The fact that its not a lot of customers - rather its a minority who have to bring thier bike on a train makes me think thier just doing it to be awkward, so as far as im concerned if you must go somewhere on a bike then you make the whole journey by bike or leave it at home. What if on their journey between Elm Park and Upminster they get a flat tyre? I commute to work by bike but I deliberately choose my route such that I can get on the tube if the bike is no longer an option. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Jul 14, 2009 21:04:11 GMT
The fact that its not a lot of customers - rather its a minority who have to bring thier bike on a train makes me think thier just doing it to be awkward, so as far as im concerned if you must go somewhere on a bike then you make the whole journey by bike or leave it at home. I'm taking my bike on a train on Friday. I'm going to cycle to the station, put the bike on the train, then get off at the other end and cycle to my destination. If I didn't, I'd either have to walk or shell out for a bus; why shouldn't I cycle? |
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Post by North End on Jul 14, 2009 21:24:33 GMT
I hate people who bring bikes on trains - because being disabled (but not in a wheelchair) im very badly co-ordinated and the amount off bikes ive tripped over on trains because the owner had to put it in my path............... worst are those idiots who bring thier bike on a train for such a short distance (ie Elm Park -Upminster) they could have cycled there anyway without causing an obstruction on the train. The fact that its not a lot of customers - rather its a minority who have to bring thier bike on a train makes me think thier just doing it to be awkward, so as far as im concerned if you must go somewhere on a bike then you make the whole journey by bike or leave it at home. Yeah of course these cyclists wake up in the morning and think "I'm going to take my bike on a train just to be awkward". No. People do it because it's a combination that they find convenient and workable. There's all sorts of factors why someone may choose to cycle to the station, take the train, then cycle to their destination: 1) maybe they're not fit enough to cycle all the distance? 2) maybe the bit they're using the train for involves going over a steep summit, or a dangerous busy road? 3) maybe they're using the bike to speed up what would otherwise be a long walk to/from the station? 4) maybe they're using the bike in preference to driving the car to the station and parking? A bicycle on a train isn't an "obstruction" - it's a legitimate piece of luggage just like anything else. Obviously the owner needs to be careful where they put it, but other passengers IMHO need to be a lot more tolerant of what is really a very minor inconvenience. |
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Post by slugabed on Jul 14, 2009 21:33:06 GMT
I often take my bike with me on my peregrinations around London's rail network,and have done for many years (since BR made it free),and I am very aware that,with modern stock,it is often difficult to avoid being a nuisance to other passengers,though I try my best.
Older stock used to have a guard's van which was ideal for stowage of bicycles,and it seems to be a retrograde step tht these are no longer provided,except (to my knowledge) on HSTs.
Some of LO's trains on the NLL have an area for bikes,as do the SW trains alluded to by Happybunny above,otherwise,on other stock,the door/vestibule areas are the only option which is far from ideal.
Am I right in thinking that the carriage of bikes on non-tube-tunnel parts of the UndergrounD is a reltively recent development?
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Post by Chris M on Jul 14, 2009 21:36:26 GMT
Is the reason for the prohibition of bicycles in tube-tunnel sections an evacuation issue? I ask because the prohibition includes the short stretch of Northern Line tunnel near Hendon Central, where the stations on either side are above ground and so there are no issues with escalators and the like as there are in zone 1.
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Post by compsci on Jul 15, 2009 7:04:39 GMT
The unusual layout of Cambridge station results in most London bound services departing from platforms on the right side of the train in the direction of travel. So many passengers stuff the vestibules on the left with their bikes, armoured personnel carriers and giant suitcases. If the train is a stopper the residents of Royston then get a nice surprise when at best it is a struggle to get in an at worst a bike falls on top of them. Even if it isn't there can sometimes be a bit of a battle getting out at KX.
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Post by roythebus on Jul 15, 2009 8:14:07 GMT
Probably one of the most amusing and embarassing announcements was a Ricky guard, on one of his first Circle turns on a C69 (going back a long way here); Beach Baby he was known as, announced to his motorman on the cab to cab phone words to the effect that he was going to use the toilet at Aldgate for several minutes.
He reckoned he went bright red when he realised this announcement came out all along the train in glowing stereo, as he'd pressed the pa not the cab to cab button!! What made it more amusing when he told the tale was that he is a Carribean gent!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 21:12:28 GMT
And then there's always the inevitable "you let people with bloody great push-chairs get on the Tube so why not me and my bike??!!!"
I had a bike thrown at me once, whilst simply doing my job at Hammersmith Met. Guess it must have been knicked then. And of course, the DLR doesn't allow bikes - full stop.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 15, 2009 22:43:49 GMT
So many passengers [boarding at Cambridge] stuff the vestibules on the left with their bikes, armoured personnel carriers and giant suitcases. If the train is a stopper the residents of Royston then get a nice surprise when at best it is a struggle to get in an at worst a bike falls on top of them. I used to regularly cycle from Kew Gardens to West Kensington, but took the bike back by train if it was late in the evening. I would lean my bike on the door as it closed, safe in the knowledge that it would not be in anyone's way until I got off! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 9:32:14 GMT
There are things worse than bikes - As I was getting off a particularly packed evening commute at Hackney Downs the other week, some bloke was trying to get on with a surfboard.
I didn't know that Enfield Town was prime surfing country.
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Post by maxtube on Jul 25, 2009 21:54:16 GMT
The unusual layout of Cambridge station results in most London bound services departing from platforms on the right side of the train in the direction of travel. So many passengers stuff the vestibules on the left with their bikes, armoured personnel carriers and giant suitcases. If the train is a stopper the residents of Royston then get a nice surprise when at best it is a struggle to get in an at worst a bike falls on top of them. Even if it isn't there can sometimes be a bit of a battle getting out at KX. I saw a group of teenagers with bikes after coming from Whittlesford a few days ago - my train unusually went into Platform 1 instead of 2 or 3. One teenager shouted "quick, the train leaves in 5 minutes!" He then jumped onto my train which had just come from Liverpool Street, and was terminating at Cambridge. He actually wanted the Kings X stopper that was in Platform 2. As the driver of the terminated train told him that the train he wanted was in Platform 2, the Kings X train closed its doors and left, with the rest of his group on it! ;D |
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Post by twa on Sept 14, 2009 11:30:04 GMT
I've seen someone get on with a monkey bike, stunk that car out with petrol fumes
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 16:20:08 GMT
I've seen someone get on with a monkey bike, stunk that car out with petrol fumes He wouldn't get on my train with that. I once had a passenger get on at Mile End with a motorbike and didn't like it when I told him the train won't be going anywhere with that on. |
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Post by happybunny on Sept 14, 2009 17:31:07 GMT
Once had an ole biddy get on with a motorised cart thingy... she waved her stick at me furiously when I told her where to go with it !
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Post by North End on Sept 14, 2009 22:48:57 GMT
I get the feeling this is normal for light rail / trams. Bikes are not allowed on either Midland Metro or Manchester Metrolink, though I've never had a problem taking my Brompton on either of these even when not folded. |
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But I believe in most cases this is due to ignorance on the cyclists part and an educational campaign would be a good idea to raise awareness.
