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Post by afarlie on Jan 10, 2010 12:10:27 GMT
Plenty of stations to find in this fiendishly hard cryptic riddle... This should take at LEAST a week to solve  (Hint the first line refers to 2 stations 'linked' via a third.. and if you get the right connection, the rest become easier) The scholars of an ancient rite by path though forest cleared. Thence to place the spanish queen And north, the ancient market to whence the vision came. Two churches of our lady, upon the southward , feature in the game. And inside the churches oval, between two squares that lie within nuns fair fruit shall point one past treasures sought but not too sing. The wisdom moved yet held once Eastward and above, and pointed down a monarchs passage, you shall find again. |
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Post by slugabed on Jan 10, 2010 12:33:53 GMT
Hmmm.....I'll risk my neck by saying the Spanish Queen refers to Elephant and Castle.
Infanta de Castile....
There seem to be a lot of Temply and masonicky references in there.
Are the two Our Lady churches in Willesden?
I'd have said Stoke Newington,but it doesn't have a tube station....
Nuns' fair fruit could be Co(n)vent Garden...
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 10, 2010 18:44:10 GMT
Elephant and Castle. Infanta de Castile..... Could be the answer, although E&C did not get its name from such a lady as there never was such a person - although the royal families of Spain and Portugal did (and do) style their female princesses so, Castile did not. The name is almost certainly derived from a pub sign depicting an elephant carrying a howdah, a relic from the premises' previous occupant, a cutler. The coat of arms of the Worshipful Company of Cutlers includes an elephant, in recognition of the ivory used in cutlery handles. |
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Post by afarlie on Jan 10, 2010 20:59:53 GMT
Hmmm.....I'll risk my neck by saying the Spanish Queen refers to Elephant and Castle. Infanta de Castile.... There seem to be a lot of Temply and masonicky references in there. Are the two Our Lady churches in Willesden? I'd have said Stoke Newington,but it doesn't have a tube station.... Nuns' fair fruit could be Co(n)vent Garden... ROFL Masonic references ? on a cryptic tube station quiz , ROFL... You'll be telling me about how the district line is aligned with loads of churches next!! (Big hint!!) |
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Post by Bighat on Jan 10, 2010 21:03:16 GMT
Hmmm.....I'll risk my neck by saying the Spanish Queen refers to Elephant and Castle. Infanta de Castile.... There seem to be a lot of Temply and masonicky references in there. Are the two Our Lady churches in Willesden? I'd have said Stoke Newington,but it doesn't have a tube station.... Nuns' fair fruit could be Co(n)vent Garden... ROFL Masonic references ? on a cryptic tube station quiz , ROFL... You'll be telling me about how the district line is aligned with loads of churches next!! (Big hint!!) As long as you have been taught to be cautious that is!   |
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 10, 2010 21:10:36 GMT
Before I start engaging brain at full force - is the spelling of 'too' in the second line of the second stanza correct?
Ancient rite by path through forest cleared?
Hmm Scottish Rite: Caledonian Road;
forest cleared :Wood Green.
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Post by slugabed on Jan 10, 2010 23:23:58 GMT
Haha.....Path through forest cleared......green-way......the District Line....getting desparate here!
Thinking out loud:
Our Lady could refer to the old St.Mary's station,in one instance.
I also think that the Temple (round) church has something to do with all this.
(Chipping) Barnet and (Chipping) Ongar are both ancient markets in the north.
Is it significant that "from" should go with "whence" not "to"......
Monarch's passage.....King's road,Kingsway or Queensway.....?
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Post by crystal on Jan 11, 2010 2:47:55 GMT
I think the first line refers to the fact that villagers in Loughton had the ancient right to lop or cut trees in Epping Forest. So the two stations are Loughton and Epping. (The right was championed and protected by a man called Thomas Willingdale who has a school and a road named after him. Hence the "scholars" and "path".)
If the Spanish Queen is Eleanor of Castile then that takes us to Charing Cross (and/or Embankment if the District line is somehow involved.)
Edit: -- It's a shame it wasn't a Spanish Knight, not Queen, since that would give us Chgwell, tying in with the "eastern end of the Central line" theme.
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Post by afarlie on Jan 12, 2010 11:57:33 GMT
They say Wisdom is to the East, but not nesscacrily in this instance, also some of you are not only North of the river, but way way North of the answers  Comment has been made as to the nature of the clue set, If you follow the lines of thinking, your might find some more of the answers. Once again, I will comment that the "What's in a name?" book was used in setting part of this clue.. |
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Post by Colin D on Jan 13, 2010 16:24:14 GMT
Plenty of stations to find in this fiendishly hard cryptic riddle... And north, the ancient market to whence the vision came. Could this clue refer to Liverpool St. "On this site now occupied by the station, a priory was erected (later to become Bethlehem Hospital)" |
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