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Post by blueblagger on Aug 9, 2010 15:25:46 GMT
I used to be a Tube Operator on the Jubilee Line.
I was just wondering whats it like nowadays?
Cheers
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Post by harlesden on Aug 9, 2010 17:03:22 GMT
Mainly Monday-Saturday these days ;D
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Post by Colin on Aug 9, 2010 17:15:10 GMT
I used to be a Tube Operator on the Jubilee Line. I was just wondering whats it like nowadays? Give us a clue then - how long ago? |
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Post by blueblagger on Aug 9, 2010 17:48:50 GMT
I left a few years ago,needed to get out of the tunnels!
Had a transfer to the met,but decided just to break out and give something else a go
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Post by ruislip on Aug 9, 2010 17:51:50 GMT
I used to be a Tube Operator on the Jubilee Line. Pre- or post-extension? |
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Post by harlesden on Aug 9, 2010 17:56:05 GMT
Hard to imagine a driver simply giving it up once qualified.
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Post by hobbayne on Aug 9, 2010 18:18:13 GMT
I know of a few drivers who left the job because they thought the grass was greener elsewhere, sadly thats not always the case.  Luckily a couple of them have made their way back on the front (No pun intended) via re applying as station staff and waiting for a T/op training course which if they are lucky with the interview they would qualify again!! Whats it like now? Unfortunately, there is a surplus of drivers (apparently) and many are being sacked or disciplined for trivial reasons!  |
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Post by blueblagger on Aug 9, 2010 18:46:30 GMT
I know how hard it was to get the job,I came in as a DROP.I moved on as I was totally frustrated with the way the line was being run,too much interference from DMTs who had never even driven a tube train,too many drivers who were a danger to themselves and the travelling public.Getting away with incident after incident letting the grade down.
I recently returned to train driving on the mainline,it suits me as a person better.I returned because the recession bit,its a great job and will fingers crossed do it for years to come.
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Post by harlesden on Aug 9, 2010 19:11:05 GMT
I wouldn't have thought there was much scope for a driver to "be a danger to himself and the travelling public"
Surely if a driver
(a) Observes speed limits and signals along with any temporary restrictions
(b) Ensures as far as possible the safe alighting and boarding of passengers
(c) Attends for duty in a fit state to perform his/her duty in compliance with the Rule Book
There is no conceivable way in which he can be a danger in the way you describe.
Drivers are subjected to monitoring by management, and the penalties for even minor infractions can be severe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 21:10:19 GMT
Hard to imagine a driver simply giving it up once qualified. Sometimes people do just get into a job and then decide it's not for them. I knew a controller fairly recently, did all the work to get through his training (and believe me controller training is tough) and after about 6 months in the job packed it in, left London and got a job as a bus driver elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 21:15:04 GMT
Were you based at Wembley or North Greenwich/stratford?
I remember reading a thread on here about staff on the jubilee line about a year ago (perhaps someone knows where it is)and was surprised to read that Wembley Park was a depressing place to be based, nobody wanted to be there and were trying to get transfered.
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Post by Colin on Aug 9, 2010 22:28:03 GMT
I wouldn't have thought there was much scope for a driver to "be a danger to himself and the travelling public" Surely if a driver (a) Observes speed limits and signals along with any temporary restrictions (b) Ensures as far as possible the safe alighting and boarding of passengers (c) Attends for duty in a fit state to perform his/her duty in compliance with the Rule Book There is no conceivable way in which he can be a danger in the way you describe. Drivers are subjected to monitoring by management, and the penalties for even minor infractions can be severe. You've basically answered your own point there - if a driver falls short on either "A", or "B", or even just "C", they are a danger. I have seen individuals loose (or is it lose   ;D) their jobs as a direct result of one of your ABC's, so those type of people do exist despite the systems in place to detect them though the selection and training phases. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 9, 2010 22:38:55 GMT
I wouldn't have thought there was much scope for a driver to "be a danger to himself and the travelling public" Surely if a driver (a) Observes speed limits and signals along with any temporary restrictions (b) Ensures as far as possible the safe alighting and boarding of passengers (c) Attends for duty in a fit state to perform his/her duty in compliance with the Rule Book There is no conceivable way in which he can be a danger in the way you describe. Drivers are subjected to monitoring by management, and the penalties for even minor infractions can be severe. You've basically answered your own point there - if a driver falls short on either "A", or "B", or even just "C", they are a danger. I have seen individuals loose (or is it lose ;D) their jobs as a direct result of one of your ABC's, so those type of people do exist despite the systems in place to detect them though the selection and training phases. It's lose - you can't tighten a job ;-). |
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Post by harlesden on Aug 10, 2010 3:26:38 GMT
I was basically disputing the claim that there could be on the network
QUOTE too many drivers who were a danger to themselves and the travelling public.Getting away with incident after incident letting the grade down UNQUOTE
worded as though such drivers form a significant minority of the people occupying the grade.
It should be remembered that the claim logically refers to drivers on a single line as a driver could not be affected by the alleged conduct of drivers on any other line.
The "getting away with incident after incident" part doesn't ring true to me simply because of LUL's relatively merciless disciplining of drivers who do break the rules. A driver who was a "danger" just once would surely be sacked or be downgraded to non-driving duties. How many drivers, having attained the status of qualified driver - through hard work and conscientious study - would risk throwing it all away? Certainly not the "too many" implied.
I cannot see how a driver could break any safety-related rule without being immediately detected, and having been so detected, brought to account within hours if not immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 6:30:26 GMT
How do you think speeding is detected? Unless they happen to be caught on one of the rare days when DMT's go out with speed guns (and these are advertised on the day, certainly on our line at least - along with the general area - and most people know which are the usual spots, much as people are aware of where speed cameras are on routes they drive often) or manage to SPAD, overrun a platform or have another incident that would necessitate looking at the train's data recorder, then it won't be noticed.
As for not being able to see how a driver could break a safety related rule without being detected immediately... do you know how simple it is in a tube tunnel section, to turn on the cablight and look at your duty book or listen to an mp3 player or turn on your mobile to check an old text message without being seen? It's also perfectly possible to have taken something such as Nurofen Plus - a painkiller with codeine in - within your twenty four hours before booking on for work and not be detected; again, unless you actually cause an incident that required them to do a D&A test on you (and a single SPAD, correctly handled, is not automatically such an incident) no-one would ever know.
In the much the same way that the average car driver can get into their car, drive 40mph in a 30mph zone and get away with it as often as not, or be a few units over the drink drive limit and make it home without being stopped or causing an incident, it's perfectly possible for infractions to go undetected.
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Post by SE13 on Aug 10, 2010 7:40:46 GMT
Whats it like now? Unfortunately, there is a surplus of drivers (apparently) and many are being sacked or disciplined for trivial reasons! I though we were talking Jubilee Line, not Slavecoach...... |
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Post by hobbayne on Aug 10, 2010 18:36:56 GMT
Whats it like now? Unfortunately, there is a surplus of drivers (apparently) and many are being sacked or disciplined for trivial reasons! I though we were talking Jubilee Line, not Slavecoach...... I was talking about LUL in general, There is a feeling in the T/OP grade that what involved a slap on the wrist 15 years ago, is now a sackable offence!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2010 12:23:46 GMT
I though we were talking Jubilee Line, not Slavecoach...... I was talking about LUL in general, There is a feeling in the T/OP grade that what involved a slap on the wrist 15 years ago, is now a sackable offence! So does the bad feeling come from management taking safety more seriously? I suspect that's not what you mean  |
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;D) their jobs as a direct result of one of your ABC's, so those type of people do exist despite the systems in place to detect them though the selection and training phases.
