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Post by angelislington on Sept 8, 2010 15:07:14 GMT
A pair of delightful Youtube vids - the first showing the new stock arriving in 1940 and the second showing the same stock nearly at the end of its life:
Southern Electric - New rolling stock for the Waterloo & City
Waterloo & City Line (1) - Class 487 (1940)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2010 15:20:55 GMT
I was watching them earlier... did you see the way the guy jumped on the lift just before it started to descend, and the way the other two guys can be seen squeezed between train car and the wall of the shaft?
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Post by angelislington on Sept 8, 2010 17:58:29 GMT
I know, it all seems so lackadaisical! Still the best footage I've seen of the crane in operation.
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Post by DWS on Sept 8, 2010 18:13:46 GMT
I was watching them earlier... did you see the way the guy jumped on the lift just before it started to descend, and the way the other two guys can be seen squeezed between train car and the wall of the shaft? Well there was a War on, no time for risk assesments, reams of paper work, etc. |
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Post by railtechnician on Sept 20, 2010 6:54:18 GMT
I know, it all seems so lackadaisical! Still the best footage I've seen of the crane in operation. I wouldn't necessarily agree with that assessment of the guy's action. I'd say the average worker then was very aware of the environment, perhaps more so than today. If I said any more on that score it would be well OT so I will refrain! As for the Vids, they are excellent. I never saw the lift shaft until after it had been filled in but the spur to it remained extant ending at a wall of concrete when I walked the line. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 10:28:29 GMT
I never saw the lift shaft until after it had been filled in but the spur to it remained extant ending at a wall of concrete when I walked the line. Why was it filled in? |
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Post by railtechnician on Sept 20, 2010 11:32:33 GMT
I never saw the lift shaft until after it had been filled in but the spur to it remained extant ending at a wall of concrete when I walked the line. Why was it filled in? I believe it was filled in as part of the remodelling works in progress before LU took over. I presume a new shaft was built to crane the stock in and out. I'm not sure if it was all to do with building the Eurostar terminal there. At the time we were doing lots of work on the Bakerloo and Northern lines there as part of the station modernisation. |
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Post by slugabed on Sept 20, 2010 11:54:07 GMT
If I remember correctly (some may laugh) but there were TWO lifts,one on either side of the High Level lines,each with their own sidings.The North Side one was swept away when the International station was built,but I seem to remember it looking fairly intact in the 70s,often with a car or two of 1940 stock on the siding.
You used to see this stock going through Clapham Jct. occasionally,presumably on its way to or from overhaul.
The South side one is the hole they crane stock in down through these days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 18:00:52 GMT
There was only the one stock lift - that on the site of the international terminal. The original plan in 1989ish was to keep the spur to the shaft and have it come into the new WIT underground car park to allow stock transfer by road. This plan was discarded because of the compromised design that would have been imposed on the car park, and instead the current arrangement was put in place.
The hole on the station access road from Lower Marsh where stock is now craned was newly constructed - I think there was a staff access staircase before, but certainly no stock-sized hole.
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Post by slugabed on Sept 20, 2010 21:14:11 GMT
There was only the one stock lift - that on the site of the international terminal. The original plan in 1989ish was to keep the spur to the shaft and have it come into the new WIT underground car park to allow stock transfer by road. This plan was discarded because of the compromised design that would have been imposed on the car park, and instead the current arrangement was put in place. The hole on the station access road from Lower Marsh where stock is now craned was newly constructed - I think there was a staff access staircase before, but certainly no stock-sized hole. My mistake in one sense,the other lift wasn't the crane-hole we see today. There WAS a second lift in conjunction with the power station.This was on the South side of the SW main line tracks some few hundred yards beyond the end of the platform (number1) where there are some sidings,This may not have been a stock lift. I remember bits of it being visible into the 70s but the Northern lift seemed to see all the action. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 6:05:05 GMT
My mistake in one sense,the other lift wasn't the crane-hole we see today. There WAS a second lift in conjunction with the power station.This was on the South side of the SW main line tracks some few hundred yards beyond the end of the platform (number1) where there are some sidings,This may not have been a stock lift. I remember bits of it being visible into the 70s but the Northern lift seemed to see all the action. Ah, I remember the building and sidings you're talking about - I don't specifically remember the lift, but could it have been for coal wagons for the power station? That location wasn't physically connected to the W&C so that's the only thing I can think of that a lift could have been used for. I believe that general area is where the Necropolis station was also, but that's going somewhat off topic! |
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Post by slugabed on Sept 21, 2010 19:13:34 GMT
Ah,Waterloo Necropolis had its entrance just off York Road,so I must assume it was where the old International station is now. I believe it was badly damaged in the Blitz and demolished. www.tbcs.org.uk/railway.htm |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 21, 2010 19:25:06 GMT
Ah,Waterloo Necropolis had its entrance just off York Road,so I must assume it was where the old International station is now. No, it was not on York Road but on York Street (now Leake Street) on the SE side of the station, until the station extensions on that sidein the twenties required it to be re-sited. Parts of it are still there, as mentioned on the tbcs site. I believe the portakabins visible on the left as you leave Waterloo are on the site, and the street level building is still there. |
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Post by slugabed on Sept 21, 2010 19:31:27 GMT
I stand corrected.
I'll have to go down and have a look at the building that's still there.
I linked to the website AFTER posting my reply,and would have benefitted from having read it and then re-modifying my post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2010 13:28:38 GMT
I purchased and read John Clark's book. Very fascinating.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 22, 2010 18:03:54 GMT
Ah,Waterloo Necropolis had its entrance just off York Road,so I must assume it was where the old International station is now. No, it was not on York Road but on York Street (now Leake Street) on the SE side of the station, until the station extensions on that sidein the twenties required it to be re-sited. <off topic> I have a great-uncle (possibly great-great uncle) who was dispatched by the Necropolis Railway and is buried vertically under his chosen arabic name in one of the muslim burial grounds at Brookwood. </off topic> |
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 23, 2010 10:16:56 GMT
Great films, probably the only film of the original stock. I always understood that the south side lift could only take a coal wagon, for supplying the power station. This was shunted by S75 which was designed to fit on the lift.
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Post by roythebus on Feb 28, 2011 22:02:38 GMT
AFAIK the Anderson lift has not been filled in at all, it is still used as a vent shaft for the W&C. The oblong structure is in the middle of the erstwhile international station.
The other lift was latterly used to convey bogies from the works road (no.1?) to the workshops at road level. It was, as has been said, also used in earlier yeras to carry coal wagons to the power station by the cab road.
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