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Post by superteacher on Oct 6, 2010 18:31:10 GMT
On Teletext ealier: "Hammersmith and City Line - Minor delays due to the request of the police." ;D ;D Just imagine the Police phoning up TFL and requesting minor delays!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2010 19:02:54 GMT
On Teletext ealier: "Hammersmith and City Line - Minor delays due to the request of the police." ;D ;D Just imagine the Police phoning up TFL and requesting minor delays! It was suspended earlier. Luckily the circle was still running to Hammersmith. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2010 19:53:55 GMT
I can't quite see why the police would be so specific. "hey, can you suspend the Hammersmith & City line please?"
Unless someone they were looking for was on an H&C of course.
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Post by Colin on Oct 7, 2010 1:23:39 GMT
A police request can originate from many things....
Security checks, trespasser on the railway, removal of items following a one under, a declared scene of crime, removal of evidence from a scene of crime, event crowd management, external issue likely to affect the railway, external scene of crime right outside a station, facilitating the arrest of suspects, facilitating evidence gathering.......there are many, many more....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 2:22:32 GMT
A police request can originate from many things.... Security checks, trespasser on the railway, removal of items following a one under, a declared scene of crime, removal of evidence from a scene of crime, event crowd management, external issue likely to affect the railway, external scene of crime right outside a station, facilitating the arrest of suspects, facilitating evidence gathering.......there are many, many more.... My understanding is that the police can request the line to be delayed/suspended for any reason they deem reasonable in the course of duty? |
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Post by Colin on Oct 7, 2010 2:58:06 GMT
Yes indeed - the key word though is 'request'.
We'll usually oblige if at all possible though as the circumstances relating to such requests are more often than not extremely legitimate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 3:08:21 GMT
Yes indeed - the key word though is 'request'. We'll usually oblige if at all possible though as the circumstances relating to such requests are more often than not extremely legitimate. Then Perhaps it could turn into obstructing a police officer... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 3:43:10 GMT
Yes indeed - the key word though is 'request'. We'll usually oblige if at all possible though as the circumstances relating to such requests are more often than not extremely legitimate. Then Perhaps it could turn into obstructing a police officer... @ Colin: good to clear that up in my mind. @ Harry: Obstruction of Justice vs. Obstruction of Railway Operations?  |
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Post by citysig on Oct 7, 2010 8:09:11 GMT
There was an incident at Royal Oak which affected both our services and NR into Paddington. The police asked us to suspend, and also needed access to and above the track - so current was switched off.
Initially it looked as though things would be at a stand for some considerable time, but fortunately everything was brought to a satisfactory conclusion within around 45 minutes.
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 7, 2010 10:37:29 GMT
I believe the MP have more 'clout' over LUL these days but it wasn't so years ago. My recollection is that the situation changed in the early 1980s, before then police work on the Underground was subject to BTP i.e. the MP had to be invited. In fact I believe that quite a lot changed around then in that police are police with powers of arrest wherever they are so these days BTP can arrest off railway premises and the Met can arrest on railway premises but there was a time when the jurisdiction of each was finite and defined.
As I remember it LU's BTP were extremely short staffed in the 1980s and 'borrowed' 50 MP officers for a year to maintain BTP strength until it could be rebuilt. I believe it was also from then that MP were granted travel privileges on LU too.
Of course a great deal has altered in three decades, there was always a level of co-operation between BTP and New Scotland Yard but over the years there has been far more integration as a result of accidents, incidents and constantly evolving policing policy in the capital.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 12:26:48 GMT
And another...
Circle line:
"Minor delays are occuring due to an earlier faulty train at Chancery Lane."
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 7, 2010 12:35:57 GMT
And another... Circle line: "Minor delays are occuring due to an earlier faulty train at Chancery Lane." Finger error by the editor? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 14:17:10 GMT
And another... Circle line: "Minor delays are occuring due to an earlier faulty train at Chancery Lane." Hey, it was "LO is having severe delays due to a faulty." a few days back, remember?  ;D |
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Post by citysig on Oct 7, 2010 15:23:23 GMT
I believe the MP have more 'clout' over LUL these days but it wasn't so years ago. My recollection is that the situation changed in the early 1980s, before then police work on the Underground was subject to BTP i.e. the MP had to be invited. In fact I believe that quite a lot changed around then in that police are police with powers of arrest wherever they are so these days BTP can arrest off railway premises and the Met can arrest on railway premises but there was a time when the jurisdiction of each was finite and defined. They can have as much clout as they like, but it's me who gets the current off. You tend to lose a bit of clout with 630 volts in your rear ;D Seriously though, I think the differences between the Met and BTP are more "in house" in their own forces than noticeable by us. There have been occasions where we are told the Met is heading to an incident, only then to be told the BTP have stepped in and taken over - maybe planned, but sometimes you get a whiff of rivalry. |
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Post by citysig on Oct 7, 2010 15:24:07 GMT
And another... Circle line: "Minor delays are occuring due to an earlier faulty train at Chancery Lane." Yes I noticed that earlier. We're all human, but it did set me wondering what my colleagues had done ;D ;D |
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Post by SE13 on Oct 7, 2010 17:38:08 GMT
Well, BTP do have the same powers as OB, it's just that they range further. OB are restricted to the areas they are employed in whereas BTP can be on a train from Aberdeen to KX and have the same power in London as they would in Aberdeen.
Myself, BTP and OB don't have a successful relationship.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 20:46:38 GMT
another fail
"Suspended between Wembley Park and Aldgate due to a powwer supply problem at Finchley Road."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2010 14:24:56 GMT
another fail "Suspended between Wembley Park and Aldgate due to a powwer supply problem at Finchley Road." fail, how many will we get? still, some of the gems are PAs... |
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Post by underground2010 on Oct 11, 2010 17:13:21 GMT
On Teletext ealier: "Hammersmith and City Line - Minor delays due to the request of the police." ;D ;D Just imagine the Police phoning up TFL and requesting minor delays! Haha, I'm sure TFL and most Londoners wouldn't appreciate that. I remember once, my cousin and I was heading into London, and we went to our usual station, Newbury Park, and the driver informed us over the P.A that the train would be held until police give it permission to move on due to some 'police action' at Straford.  |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 11, 2010 21:59:10 GMT
I saw, years ago, a then allegedly comprehensive list of reasons given for train delays on National Rail (iirc it dates from the early days of privatisation). One of the reasons given was that the train was being held (at Darlington I think) because the police were on the train to make an arrest.
I expect that got a reaction from passengers!
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Post by Chris M on Oct 11, 2010 22:04:41 GMT
I saw, years ago, a then allegedly comprehensive list of reasons given for train delays on National Rail (iirc it dates from the early days of privatisation). One of the reasons given was that the train was being held (at Darlington I think) because the police were on the train to make an arrest. I expect that got a reaction from passengers! edit: found a reposting of it at: bobsteads.blogspot.com/2009/12/eurostar-hell.html |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 20:51:16 GMT
IIRC, in his autobiography "I Tried to Run a Railway" Gerry Fiennes described the occasion when, as General Manager at Paddington (this of course is the mainline station, then Western Region) he took over the PA one rush hour to announce that that day's - considerable - delays and cancellations were due to "gross management incompetence".
He was deeply hurt that not one of the passengers on the Lawn paid the slightest attention. What did he expect - that they'd spontaneously break into applause?
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Post by slugabed on Oct 12, 2010 21:23:20 GMT
These days his admission of liability would form the basis of a successful class-action compensation claim....
I once heard,in BR days,an announcement to the effect of "This train will be held at Wellingboro' for Transport Police to remove a troublesome passenger...."
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Post by Chris M on Oct 12, 2010 23:15:36 GMT
I was on an FGW HST that stopped at West Drayton due to "a bit of metal making a lot of noise under coach C".
They had to wait for a fitter to come from Swindon, but weren't originally going to let passengers off the train. This didn't go down well!
Eventually they did open the doors and a HST load of passengers swamped the station and packed out a Thames Trains turbo into Paddington.
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