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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 18:21:11 GMT
The reason there is no interchange marker is because there is no external interchange. It's the same principle the shared SSL services use especially on the north side of the cut and cover tunnels - just ticks where the services stop at, and interchange markers where another seperate line crosses.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 1, 2010 18:37:37 GMT
Westferry only provides interchange between DLR routes, so on the diagram showing all lines it does not interchange with anything else. In the same way Kennington is shown as an interchange on Northern Line diagrams on the City and Charing X branches between there and Euston, as a means of changing from one branch to t'other
I assume some trains terminate at Canary Wharf because of lack of capacity and/or demand further south for a more intensive service, and because there is a turnback facility there.
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Post by mdtauk on Dec 1, 2010 18:49:16 GMT
Westferry only provides interchange between DLR routes, so on the diagram showing all lines it does not interchange with anything else. In the same way Kennington is shown as an interchange on Northern Line diagrams on the City and Charing X branches between there and Euston, as a means of changing from one branch to t'other I assume some trains terminate at Canary Wharf because of lack of capacity and/or demand further south for a more intensive service, and because there is a turnback facility there. I can hardly put a note on the Canary Wharf station saying, if the train is full, the train will reverse here... So Westferry is the best place to interchange between DLR lines, and not Shadwell or Limehouse. Should I combine the Bank - Lewisham, and the Bank to Woolwich Arsenal? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 1, 2010 18:59:19 GMT
I can hardly put a note on the Canary Wharf station saying, if the train is full, the train will reverse here... That's n ot what I meant - the timetable schedules some trains (in practice those from Stratford) to terminate at CW So Westferry is the best place to interchange between DLR lines, and not Shadwell or Limehouse? . Should I combine the Bank - Lewisham, and the Bank to Woolwich Arsenal? There's nothing much to choose between them really, but going east it's the last chance to do so - as Shadwell is the last chance to change for Bank if you're on a TG train, or vice versa. (Shadwell gets an interchange ring because of the Overground, Limehouse because of C2C) . Should I combine the Bank - Lewisham, and the Bank to Woolwich Arsenal? I would, and also the TG-Beckton, as the three routes have a lot of mileage in common - you don't want to consult two maps if travelling between say Shadwell and Canning Town. I must confess to being a little hazy as to what these diagrams are for - the official DLR map linked to earlier seems to manage to show all six routes quite clearly on one diagram. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 19:07:58 GMT
Shadwell is certainly one of the best places to interchange, as all 3 routes that run through stop at the same platforms. It is rather high frequency there most times, appeared to be easily in excess of 30tph last time I was there, at a rough guess.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 1, 2010 19:17:15 GMT
When interchanging between DLR routes to or from Bank and Tower Gateway, it doesn't matter whether you do so at Westferry, Limehouse or Shadwell (for interchange between the Tower Hill-Beckton and Bank-Woolwich Arsenal routes, any station between Shadwell and Canning Town will do[1]). They all as good as each other for the same-platform interchange. Which station the journey planner suggests seems to depend on the exact trains you are catching.
For the simplicity of the diagram, I 'd suggest to mark Shadwell as the interchange point for westbound journeys and Westferry for eastbound ones.
Regarding ex-Stratford trains at Canary Wharf, think of this as the same as the District Line at Tower Hill where most ex-Ealing Broadway trains terminate, but services from other origins typically do not (but with a same platform interchange for passengers wishing to continue their journey). Ditto High Street Kensington (trains ex-Olympia terminate), Woodford (trains ex-Hainault terminate more often than not). Finchley Central (when the Mill Hill East shuttle is operating), Kennington (only Bank branch trains typically run through), Baker Street Met, and probably elsewhere too. When the Highbury and islington extension opens, then this will also happen at Dalston Junction.
If you feel that any of these need notes, then write one in the same manner for Canary Wharf (and Blackwall, where half the service from Beckton terminates at certain times of the day), otherwise you don't need to.
[1]Although when travelling eastbound my preference is to change at East India as even if there are no seats available, you're almost certain to get one at Canning Town as lots of people alight there.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Dec 1, 2010 19:31:41 GMT
Combining Bank - Lewisham and Bank - Woolwich Arsenal would be good.
At Shadwell it would be useful to have an interchange note for Tower Gateway.
At Poplar it would be useful to have an interchange note for Stratford.
Do you think it would be necessary to also have an interchange note at West India Quay for Stratford?
And at Canning Town it would be useful to have interchange notes for Beckton and Stratford International.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 20:05:50 GMT
Combining Bank - Lewisham and Bank - Woolwich Arsenal would be good. At Shadwell it would be useful to have an interchange note for Tower Gateway. At Poplar it would be useful to have an interchange note for Stratford. Do you think it would be necessary to also have an interchange note at West India Quay for Stratford? And at Canning Town it would be useful to have interchange notes for Beckton and Stratford International. That sounds perfect to me. And yes, but remember the peak time hop at West India Quay. It might be worth noting interchange for Stratford a station south, as Lewisham services do not stop at Poplar from Bank, IIRC. |
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Post by mdtauk on Dec 1, 2010 20:23:33 GMT
Combining Bank - Lewisham and Bank - Woolwich Arsenal would be good. At Shadwell it would be useful to have an interchange note for Tower Gateway. At Poplar it would be useful to have an interchange note for Stratford. Do you think it would be necessary to also have an interchange note at West India Quay for Stratford? And at Canning Town it would be useful to have interchange notes for Beckton and Stratford International. How about this...  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 20:42:11 GMT
I'm feeling ever so picky. It should say Stratford International at Canning Town, not Stratford (although the latter is on the route which is not yet open)
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Post by mdtauk on Dec 1, 2010 20:46:21 GMT
Stratford International will not be open until 2011, so I wont include it until it is open.
For those routes with Stratford International on them, I will have the "Opens early 2011" message on them. I will be able to issue updates to these maps as changes occur.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 20:55:48 GMT
Until the Stratford International route opens the only DLR to Stratford will be via Bow Church and Poplar way, not from Canning town.
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Post by mdtauk on Dec 1, 2010 21:06:39 GMT
Until the Stratford International route opens the only DLR to Stratford will be via Bow Church and Poplar way, not from Canning town. Now I feel foolish, as I had forgotten that. Ok additional text at Canning Town has been changed to: "DLR trains to Beckton and Stratford International in early 2011"  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 1, 2010 21:21:48 GMT
When interchanging between DLR routes to or from Bank and Tower Gateway, it doesn't matter whether you do so at Westferry, Limehouse or Shadwell. In practice it depends on how busy the train is - if you have a seat you keep it as long as possible, if you haven't you change at tghe first opportunity in the hope of better luck on the train you are changing to! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 21:28:21 GMT
Until the Stratford International route opens the only DLR to Stratford will be via Bow Church and Poplar way, not from Canning town. Now I feel foolish, as I had forgotten that. Ok additional text at Canning Town has been changed to: "DLR trains to Beckton and Stratford International in early 2011" Without trying to be dumb picky. you can already get a train from Canning Town to Beckton. Might do with some punctuation there! |
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Post by mdtauk on Dec 1, 2010 21:36:56 GMT
Comma added.
I want to ensure these diagrams are as clear and useful as possible, so I want all flaws corrected.
Now which diagram should I do next, and what tips do I need to know about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 21:53:30 GMT
I'd go for Tower Gateway next, because it's so simple. Basically the same things apply for this too.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Dec 1, 2010 22:10:33 GMT
Yes, Tower Gateway to Beckton is very simple indeed.
Notes:
Shadwell: Interchange for Bank
Westferry: Interchange for Lewisham
Poplar: Interchange for Stratford and Lewisham (?)
Canning Town: Interchange for Woolwich Arsenal and Stratford International
Sound good Charlie?
mdtautk - During peak times Monday to Friday, trains from Bank towards Lewisham do not stop at West India Quay. Maybe you could somehow note this to users of the app.
Oh, and Mudchute is spelt incorrectly! You wrote Madchute ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 22:34:48 GMT
It sounds good to me.
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Post by mdtauk on Dec 1, 2010 22:44:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 22:46:22 GMT
'Shadwell
DLR trains to Beckton and Bank'
Whoopsie ;D
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Post by mdtauk on Dec 1, 2010 22:48:27 GMT
Lol facepalm, there is always something odd.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 22:49:10 GMT
I'll be back in the morning with me advices.
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Post by jpd888 on Dec 1, 2010 23:34:23 GMT
It may be worth mentioning the interchange opportunities at Poplar for Stratford via Bow Church and Lewisham via Canary Wharf (the latter also being available from Westferry when travelling Eastbound)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 9:06:50 GMT
It may be worth mentioning the interchange opportunities at Poplar for Stratford via Bow Church and Lewisham via Canary Wharf (the latter also being available from Westferry when travelling Eastbound) Those interchanges are already marked... |
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Post by madonion on Dec 2, 2010 10:50:14 GMT
I just tried your app on my WP7. It works great, very smooth. It will be even better with maps, keep up the good work  |
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Post by mdtauk on Dec 2, 2010 15:13:36 GMT
Here is Lewisham - Stratford  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 15:35:50 GMT
Mudchute, not Madchute, despite the rather unusual name. It's worth noting on Heron Quays about Canary Wharf underground too.
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Post by jswallow on Dec 2, 2010 16:19:34 GMT
For the latest map, Stratford should read:-
"DLR trains to Stratford International, Beckton and Woolwich Arsenal in early 2011" as the "early 2011" applies to all three routes.
Lovely font by the way - Frutiger?
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Post by mdtauk on Dec 2, 2010 17:04:14 GMT
For the latest map, Stratford should read:- "DLR trains to Stratford International, Beckton and Woolwich Arsenal in early 2011" as the "early 2011" applies to all three routes. Lovely font by the way - Frutiger? Mudchute and the Stratford changes made. The font is Segoe WP, and is the font used by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, Zune, Xbox etc |
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