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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 20:53:30 GMT
I used Barking station for the first time to interchange from H&C to District Eastbound and based on my prior experience of interchanging where 2 tube lines/branches share the same track, I was expecting to either;
1 Stay on the same platform as the terminating H&C train pulls off to a siding (like terminating on a Pic at Rayners Lane)
2 Arrive on an island platform and catch the district from the adjacent platform (like terminating on a Met at Aldgate platform 2 and taking a clockwise circle)
3 Take a bridge or tunnel to another platform
So I was surprised to find that at Barking I had to just walk down the platform in front of the terminating H&C train, that I just arrived on, to catch a District line train off what was the same platform but extended across the front of the terminating train so that in reached the next set of tracks.
Is this the only place on the underground that this happens? I guess the long platforms at Barking and short tube trains make this possible.
I have seen bay terminating platforms before but this is the first time I have seen this kind of arrangement. Is it used anywhere else it the UK?
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 11, 2012 21:04:22 GMT
Leeds, platform 17 is a bay set into 16, 10 is a bay set into 9.
Birmingham Moo Street, 4C is a bay set into 4.
In a slightly different but similar way there is Abergynolwyn, where two trains can sit in the same platform. I seem to think (but don't know for definite) that it is the longest [narrow gauge] platform in the UK. Cambridge is the same on the standard gauge too.
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Post by revupminster on Jun 11, 2012 21:25:18 GMT
Often the drivers announce passengers going further to change trains at East Ham and wait on the same platform. It also happens at Monument, Blackfriars and other places where trains go into bay platforms.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 11, 2012 21:45:07 GMT
Often the drivers announce passengers going further to change trains at East Ham and wait on the same platform. It also happens at Monument, Blackfriars and other places where trains go into bay platforms. I can't see any reason why they would say that at East Ham. At the other locations, the bay platform is on the opposite side, which means that passengers would have to use stairs and a footbridge to get back to the correct platform, meaning that an announcement is needed so that passengers can avoid this. That is not the case at Barking though, hence my confusion! |
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Post by revupminster on Jun 11, 2012 22:26:32 GMT
Often the drivers announce passengers going further to change trains at East Ham and wait on the same platform. It also happens at Monument, Blackfriars and other places where trains go into bay platforms. I can't see any reason why they would say that at East Ham. At the other locations, the bay platform is on the opposite side, which means that passengers would have to use stairs and a footbridge to get back to the correct platform, meaning that an announcement is needed so that passengers can avoid this. That is not the case at Barking though, hence my confusion! They announce at East Ham because if you are in the back of a bay train by the time you walk forward to the through platform a District line will come in and go out. |
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Post by phillw48 on Jun 11, 2012 22:43:50 GMT
There is also cross platform connection with the C2C to Southend.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 11, 2012 22:57:51 GMT
Platforms 1 and 2 at Clapham Junction are like this too - when the East London Line is extended to CJ interchange will be like that, but with the odd variation that both platforms will be terminuses! You will arrive from and depart in the same direction - that is, a departing ELL train from platform 2 will pass a WLL train sitting in the bay platform 1
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Post by oe on Jun 12, 2012 7:05:35 GMT
The bay for the terminating H&C trains used to be a through platform until the rebuild of the station in the 60's. According to the Carto map the "proper" platform edge for through trains is numbered 1a but the extended platform covering the former throughroad is numbered 2. Are both sets of doors always opened?
I too would always change at East Ham from a Barking bound train if I was going further.
I always giggled at Plaistow when passengers from a terminating train found that all but one set of doors were beyond their position on the platform and started a mad dash along to find a door where they could actually board.
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Post by revupminster on Jun 12, 2012 8:28:07 GMT
The bay for the terminating H&C trains used to be a through platform until the rebuild of the station in the 60's. According to the Carto map the "proper" platform edge for through trains is numbered 1a but the extended platform covering the fromer throughroad is numbered 2. Are both sets of doors always opened? I too would always change at East Ham from a Barking bound train if I was going further. I always giggled at Plaistow when passengers from a terminating train found that all but one set of doors were beyond their position on the platform and started a mad dash along to find a door where they could actually board. They are normally opened both sides. It is a good way to get from the Overground platform to the C2C platform 4 without using the stairs or underpass. |
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Post by rsdworker on Jun 12, 2012 9:14:37 GMT
in national rail - there some stations can accomoate two trains in same platform
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2012 14:42:19 GMT
Does Ormskirk count?
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 12, 2012 14:55:12 GMT
@redworker - in fact quite common on the mainline - Reading, Guildford and Redhill round here, for example, and a good many London termini have top train working.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Jun 12, 2012 15:47:15 GMT
Quite a few Dutch stations have that feature too.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 12, 2012 18:00:21 GMT
What is it with you and Ormskirk at the moment? |
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Post by alfie on Jun 12, 2012 19:14:25 GMT
I just think it's wonderful you can have two trains meeting like that, opposite sides of the buffers. Have I mentioned Ormskirk a lot recently? I'm sorry  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 12, 2012 19:21:58 GMT
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 12, 2012 19:28:46 GMT
in national rail - there some stations can accomoate two trains in same platform or even 3 at Nottingham |
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Post by rsdworker on Jun 12, 2012 19:30:29 GMT
in national rail - there some stations can accomoate two trains in same platform or even 3 at Nottingham woah - i know i saw two trains in same platform other day |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 12, 2012 19:47:57 GMT
Bet there wasn't a set of b*gger-stops between them though!
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Post by londonstuff on Jun 12, 2012 19:49:57 GMT
I just think it's wonderful you can have two trains meeting like that, opposite sides of the buffers. Have I mentioned Ormskirk a lot recently? I'm sorry Don't be sorry, Alfie, you've reminded me about this place. I lived not that far from here for years and haven't been past this place for ages. I'd forgotten that it had this configuration. Not so sure you'd get me to Kirkby though  |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 12, 2012 19:50:07 GMT
Bet there wasn't a set of b*gger-stops between them though! b*gger that! |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 12, 2012 20:05:19 GMT
Don't be sorry, Alfie, you've reminded me about this place. I lived not that far from here for years and haven't been past this place for ages. I'd forgotten that it had this configuration. I went there the Monday of the Jubilee, heritage bus service from there to the Merseyside Transport Trust place at Burscough where they have the class 502, then via the local public houses back to the railway station. Much fun, especially as some of the busses were open top too. Not so sure you'd get me to Kirkby though I've been once, luckily the Manchester train was waiting the other side of the bridge. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 12, 2012 22:08:32 GMT
I'm trying to remember what the arrangment was at Royston when that was the limit of electrification - I'm sure we just walked along the platform there too. I also recall that at Ormskirk there used to be a second track providing a capability for trains to run through. As shown here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ormskirk_railway_station_1973.jpg |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 12, 2012 22:17:16 GMT
There was originally an "emergency connection", but that went ages ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2012 16:56:03 GMT
I just think it's wonderful you can have two trains meeting like that, opposite sides of the buffers. Have I mentioned Ormskirk a lot recently? I'm sorry Is platform 10 at Wimbledon an example? Croydon Tramlink terminus, as well as used by (I think) First Capital Connect trains from the Sutton loop? |
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Post by slugabed on Jun 13, 2012 17:36:10 GMT
Norbitonflyer...At Royston,I seem to remember that you had to cross over (footbridge?) to the other platform to get the DMU on to Cambridge (wasn't it the same at Epping for the Ongar shuttle?),but I only did this once,many years ago,so memory may be fallible... Ah yes.... farm4.staticflickr.com/3535/4037246272_7886773277_z.jpg?zz=1Progressingnicely...another example of this used to be at West Croydon,where the little Wimbledon shuttle terminated in a bay which was in the form of a set-back from the main through platform. Whilst discussing the possible arrangements at Clapham Jct for the ELLX,the scheme actually adopted was called the "West Croydon solution" because of its topological similarity. www.semgonline.com/location/pics/gds_wcroydon.jpgEdited to add picture-links... |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 13, 2012 21:16:49 GMT
Norbitonflyer...At Royston,I seem to remember that you had to cross over (footbridge?) to the other platform to get the DMU on to Cambridge (wasn't it the same at Epping for the Ongar shuttle?),but I only did this once,many years ago,so memory may be fallible... Ah yes.... farm4.staticflickr.com/3535/4037246272_7886773277_z.jpg?zz=1I'm afraid that photo only proves that both tracks were electrified. My recollection (and this was nearly 35 years ago.....) is that we stayed on the same platform: I do recall my disappointment that the dmu was a class 114 (a little off its normal stamping ground, but nothing special for a Lincolnshire lad like me) |
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 7, 2012 12:19:19 GMT
in national rail - there some stations can accomoate two trains in same platform One platform at Nottingham has three trains sometimes. To make it more confusing it is an island platform with a bay road in the middle at the far end. The bay road can't be seen from the platform entrance. Worked there once as a contractor for 2 weeks. Hi Vi meant a lot of questions. |
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