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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 18:41:15 GMT
First: my apologies if this is in the wrong place - the previous "what to do about Paddington" thread seems to be locked.
I spent some time on the station yesterday (most of it by design) and I have to say that the signage for the old H&C platforms is pretty naff. It's been a very long time since I got lost on an Underground station, but I managed it yesterday.
Given the current siting of the entrance to the H&C platforms, which I suspect is a "temporary" job although whether or not connected to Crosssrail I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised if the distance from there to the Praed Street platforms isn't as far as, say, Bayswater to Queensway, or Euston Square to Euston mainline.
Which brings me back to the question of names. I know this was done to death on the previous thread but there is one option that wasn't considered there. That is to call the "Wimbleware" platforms "Paddington (Praed Street)" and the Hammersmith platforms "Paddington (Little Venice)" or even "Little Venice (Paddington)" and to remove the symbol connecting them to the other TfL lines (but not of course the main line).
More important perhaps would be to post notices, both on sub-surface stations and of course the TfL website, to indicate when passengers should change at Paddington and when they should do so elsewhere. I am quite willing to draft them, if you give me a word count, but i don't promise you'll lie the answer much ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 19:11:11 GMT
First: my apologies if this is in the wrong place - the previous "what to do about Paddington" thread seems to be locked. I spent some time on the station yesterday (most of it by design) and I have to say that the signage for the old H&C platforms is pretty naff. It's been a very long time since I got lost on an Underground station, but I managed it yesterday. Given the current siting of the entrance to the H&C platforms, which I suspect is a "temporary" job although whether or not connected to Crosssrail I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised if the distance from there to the Praed Street platforms isn't as far as, say, Bayswater to Queensway, or Euston Square to Euston mainline. Which brings me back to the question of names. I know this was done to death on the previous thread but there is one option that wasn't considered there. That is to call the "Wimbleware" platforms "Paddington (Praed Street)" and the Hammersmith platforms "Paddington (Little Venice)" or even "Little Venice (Paddington)" and to remove the symbol connecting them to the other TfL lines (but not of course the main line). More important perhaps would be to post notices, both on sub-surface stations and of course the TfL website, to indicate when passengers should change at Paddington and when they should do so elsewhere. I am quite willing to draft them, if you give me a word count, but i don't promise you'll lie the answer much ;D Theres hardly any signs to the H&C Platforms. Everywhere there is Platforms 15 and 16. How do they expect people to know that Platforms 15 and 16 are the H&C ones. I nearly always got lost but now not so much. They need to sort that out. Also, once when paddington H&C was closed, there wasn't any signs except near the platform that the H&C platforms were closed. Is it really that difficult to stick extra signs about that around the station? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 21:18:02 GMT
To add to that, you also need to know the Circle Line route otherwise signs or no signs you could end up on the wrong set of platforms.
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Post by malcolmffc on Aug 22, 2012 16:18:19 GMT
Paddington has a BIG PINK LINE running through the station that leads you to the H&C platforms.
As for interchange, I don't think it's an issue. Anyone wanting to change from Circle, District or Bakerloo (the lines serving Paddington) to/from H&C can do so easily at Edgware Rd or Baker St.
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Post by madandy on Aug 22, 2012 17:05:16 GMT
Which brings me back to the question of names. I know this was done to death on the previous thread but there is one option that wasn't considered there. That is to call the "Wimbleware" platforms "Paddington (Praed Street)" and the Hammersmith platforms "Paddington (Little Venice)" or even "Little Venice (Paddington)" and to remove the symbol connecting them to the other TfL lines (but not of course the main line). More important perhaps would be to post notices, both on sub-surface stations and of course the TfL website, to indicate when passengers should change at Paddington and when they should do so elsewhere. I am quite willing to draft them, if you give me a word count, but i don't promise you'll lie the answer much ;D There were entirey separate station names on the Underground which were eah applied to two seperate stations; Edgware Road, Paddington, Shepherds Bush and Hammersmith. Since the Hammersmith And City Line incorporated all four of those examples it seems to have been a missed opportunity not to deal with this situation with a Hammersmith And City Line station renaming programme when the two Shepherds Bush stations acquired different names. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 20:31:58 GMT
The H&C/GW suburban section of Paddington station was formerly called Bishops Road.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2012 16:28:52 GMT
The H&C/GW suburban section of Paddington station was formerly called Bishops Road. Indeed it was. But the road it's named after isn't called that!. It's Bishops Bridge Road (trust me - I live on it ;D ) |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 23, 2012 21:26:50 GMT
The H&C/GW suburban section of Paddington station was formerly called Bishops Road. Indeed it was. But the road it's named after isn't called that!. It's Bishops Bridge Road (trust me - I live on it ;D ) Maybe the road was originally called that - it wouldn't be the first time a road has changed its name over the years. |
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Post by madandy on Aug 23, 2012 22:41:39 GMT
Indeed it was. But the road it's named after isn't called that!. It's Bishops Bridge Road (trust me - I live on it ;D ) Maybe the road was originally called that - it wouldn't be the first time a road has changed its name over the years. I am sitting at my desk reading this and in front of me is the reprint of the very first 1936 A-Z (which you can buy online and well worth it). On the map it is "Bishops Bridge Road" only. In the index it is "Bishops Road" but no "Bishops Bridge Road." I then turned to a massive index listing in it of pages of "L.C.C. Street Name Changes" and there under "Old Name" is "Bishops Road" the under "New Name" is "Bishops Bridge Road." This book is well worth the money..... it even shows a bit of the Bushey extension.... www.az.co.uk/?nid=60&iid=3554 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 21:13:07 GMT
Thankyou everyone. I assume the change was made because there were other Bishops Roads confusing the issue.
Not that Paddington Metropolitan Borough as was minded too much, there are I think seven thoroughfares with "Porchester" in their name locally. God knows how anyone gets their mail.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 21:52:23 GMT
Thank you for the recommendation! ;D |
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Post by crusty54 on Aug 25, 2012 6:31:58 GMT
the problem now is not the name of a station but where you want to go.
the signing is awful but LUL moved the goalposts
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 8:04:30 GMT
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Post by grahamhewett on Aug 26, 2012 9:08:32 GMT
Indeed! The problem with XR has always been the imbalance between the number of vehicles approaching Liverpool Street in the am peak - around 1000 these days, and the number approaching Paddington - again these days, <500. In the first version of XR, dear old BR proposed to run half the western end of XR to Maidenhead and the other half over the Met (as described) via a new curve at Neasden and this would have solved the problem. The result would have been very like a typical Parisian RER. Dis vis aliter, as they say. [The better solution - but it was too late for that - was to link Liverpool Street and Waterloo where the flows are more balanced, but that would not have relieved crowding on the Central which is what triggered the project in the first place; the problems of portalling after Waterloo are pretty difficult, too.]
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Post by castlebar on Aug 26, 2012 10:13:27 GMT
I remember that somewhere within Gerard FIENNES book, "I tried to run a railway", written about 50 years ago now(??), he saw the need even then to four-track the Central Line (Nott Hill/Padd - Liverpool St) in front of many other more popular projects that were current at the time (and got built)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 12:11:05 GMT
Indeed it was. But the road it's named after isn't called that!. It's Bishops Bridge Road (trust me - I live on it ;D ) Maybe the road was originally called that - it wouldn't be the first time a road has changed its name over the years. It was probably Bishops Road until the bridge got built...  |
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Post by ruislip on Aug 29, 2012 0:47:12 GMT
As for interchange, I don't think it's an issue. Anyone wanting to change from Circle, District or Bakerloo (the lines serving Paddington) to/from H&C can do so easily at Edgware Rd or Baker St. I don't think Edgware Rd is considered an interchange between the 'Loo and the SSLs. |
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