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Post by br7mt on May 23, 2013 18:18:23 GMT
Is that seriously what fare payers money is being spent on, re-branded step plates? There is an RVAR modification on all the step plates, I presume removing the stock type means the same plates can be used on 96TS when that refurbishment gets underway. Regards, Dan |
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Post by Alight on May 23, 2013 22:47:00 GMT
Thanks for the update, moquette. It sounds like some good changes are being made. I wonder if the DVA and DMIs are being updated in accordance to what TfL had planned (in the late '00s) for the 1995ts refurbishment? Other internal changes are repaint/filming to finishes including grab rails I'm still bitter about the 1992ts not receiving similar treatment for their poor condition grab poles... |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 1:15:45 GMT
I agree, there are quite a few units where the graffiti has been cleaned but it has scarred the paintwork so you can still see the message that was written, repaint would be nice. Otherwise they appear to be in good nick. Weirdly there don't seem to be any DM's with sticky tape on the cabs, unlike the 1996 stock which seem to be plentiful. The DMI's on the 95 stock conform to DDA rules so I'd imagine they'd be kept as they are (orange text) whereas the original 96 stock with red ones don't. I'd imagine the interior refurb would see the cars fitted with Barman moquette but not an awful lot else. I'm wondering whether some adjustments to the ATO system to allow 95ts to run on the Jubilee as well might be part of it? |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 7:21:48 GMT
Is that seriously what fare payers money is being spent on, re-branded step plates? There is an RVAR modification on all the step plates, I presume removing the stock type means the same plates can be used on 96TS when that refurbishment gets underway. Regards, Dan What is the modification? |
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Post by br7mt on May 24, 2013 9:16:34 GMT
What is the modification? A slot to bond a yellow strip onto flush with the top of the plate. Basically highlights the edge of the step IIRC. Regards, Dan |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 11:59:32 GMT
I'm wondering whether some adjustments to the ATO system to allow 95ts to run on the Jubilee as well might be part of it? There are no mods to the ATO. First refurb train is supposed to re-enter service early next week. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 13:00:04 GMT
Thanks for the explanation Dan, makes sense now. I know the newer batch of 96 stock has the yellow warning strip only problem is, it was originally mounted outside the car and over time the dust has covered them slightly.
The new roundel and car number decals that I've seen on the 96 stock look a lot better, will there be any improvements to the exterior paintwork soon?
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Post by br7mt on May 25, 2013 14:36:35 GMT
96TS will get the same treatment in due course, but 95TS comes first.
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Post by plasmid on May 25, 2013 19:16:14 GMT
Thanks for the update, moquette. It sounds like some good changes are being made. I wonder if the DVA and DMIs are being updated in accordance to what TfL had planned (in the late '00s) for the 1995ts refurbishment? Other internal changes are repaint/filming to finishes including grab rails I'm still bitter about the 1992ts not receiving similar treatment for their poor condition grab poles... No point in doing the 92ts grab poles...the cleaners don't clean them any ways and they're always greasy as hell. I recently started using the Jubilee and whilst the interior's are clean I certainly can't say the same for the exterior, what a state those trains are in! Taped up cab ends and pure grease all over the body of the trains. The 92ts with the new body panels, windows and "stickers" make the train almost look brand new. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2013 10:16:17 GMT
The DMI/DVA's aren't included in this work - the first wheelchair bay backboards will be fitted later in the work stream. In theory the 96-ts work will follow on from the 95-ts - and as for the 92-ts, more works are planned but driven by maintenance such as the condition of the floor pans that are likely to trigger new floor system/coverings as per the 95s.
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Post by Alight on May 26, 2013 12:10:04 GMT
TBH I'm glad that they haven't gone ahead with a DVA/DMI update; I find the current Celia system perfectly adequate. Long live "Circle & Hammersmith"  |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 6:55:55 GMT
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Post by Antje on May 28, 2013 7:14:12 GMT
Nice to see the "Tube Lines" generic moquette being sent on the way out. What time will be the first run? I'd love to try it out.
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Post by domh245 on May 28, 2013 9:37:04 GMT
Yes, very nice, especially the handrails no longer being that horrid yellow that they are nowadays. I also looked at the photo of the outside, and I noticed that the door controls have gone!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 11:07:46 GMT
How many 1995s trains are there in total?
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Post by Colin D on May 28, 2013 13:20:15 GMT
How many 1995s trains are there in total? According to Tubeprunes site 106 six car units |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 20:07:32 GMT
First refurb train in service PM peak this afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 20:08:24 GMT
How many 1995s trains are there in total? According to Tubeprunes site 106 six car units Correct. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 21:25:03 GMT
Looks very nice and the blue poles look very good. |
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Post by metman on May 28, 2013 21:38:52 GMT
So the 1995 stock will be transferred to the Piccadilly Line......  Looks ok actually. The interiors were never great on these trains so this refresh is quite nice although it does make the train look like it should be on the Picc! |
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Post by Chris M on May 28, 2013 21:44:44 GMT
So the 1995 stock will be transferred to the Piccadilly Line...... Looks ok actually. The interiors were never great on these trains so this refresh is quite nice although it does make the train look like it should be on the Picc! That was my first thought too! My second was that there isn't much contrast between the poles and the seats - I thought that the guidelines for visually impaired people said that the poles need to contrast with their surroundings? |
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Post by metman on May 28, 2013 22:03:10 GMT
I thought that, but then I considered that when standing (?) the poles contrast better with the cream background better than the yellow did. If you are seated this doesn't help at all!
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Post by londonstuff on May 28, 2013 22:37:51 GMT
Maybe the comment was posted after you saw the pic or perhaps you don't read the bottom half of the internet - that's where all of the bad stuff happens, right? (See the comments in the Daily Fail) but this was mentioned: Yellow is an option but it s a common misconception that it has to be yellow - the requirement is to achieve 30points of colour contrast and we've worked closely with our accessibility and inclusion colleagues to ensure that this interior meets our requirements - overall the new interior is far superior to the old in terms of compliance. |
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Post by Antje on May 29, 2013 13:19:12 GMT
Just getting this out of my chest - how will I able to catch the prototype refurbished train from tomorrow?
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Post by metman on May 29, 2013 16:46:41 GMT
Maybe the comment was posted after you saw the pic or perhaps you don't read the bottom half of the internet - that's where all of the bad stuff happens, right? (See the comments in the Daily Fail) but this was mentioned: Yellow is an option but it s a common misconception that it has to be yellow - the requirement is to achieve 30points of colour contrast and we've worked closely with our accessibility and inclusion colleagues to ensure that this interior meets our requirements - overall the new interior is far superior to the old in terms of compliance.No I did read that but I was trying to think how it was superior |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 19:48:20 GMT
Did anyone manage to get on the refurbished unit? I didn't see it on my travels around Euston any idea what workings it'll be on tomorrow?
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Post by Tubeboy on May 29, 2013 20:06:34 GMT
I dont like it, too dark, and too blue. I actually like the yellow poles.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 20:11:49 GMT
Think red should have been used on grab poles to contrast and brighten things up a little, think the amount of blue makes it appear slightly oppressive.
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Post by Alight on May 29, 2013 20:38:11 GMT
I agree that blue is the wrong choice. It doesn't look bad as such, it just looks like a line identity crisis! They kind of remind me of the '09 stock interior but with a Piccadilly-twist! :S
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 20:42:32 GMT
Think red should have been used on grab poles to contrast and brighten things up a little, think the amount of blue makes it appear slightly oppressive. True, but I think it has potential to confused le average punter, again thinking it may be the Central lineI still think that the moquette should be shaded to line colour, like I did here many moons ago:  Albeit the colours being a black/grey combo |
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