A door open and a weird announcement

[melikepie]

I was taking a trip today to Paddington. I was fortunate enough to use one of the new H&C S7 trains. Whilst we were stuck at Edgware Road, I saw a driver's cab with the door wide open as an older train left the far eastbound platform to carry on back to Baker Street. Is this common? It looked a bit dangerous

Secondly, when I arrived at Paddington, the automated announcement started talking as though Paddington was Royal Oak. It mentioned the train was just departing Paddington and will arrive in Royal Oak in x minutes.

[rsdworker]

which door - inside or outside or front of cab?

[melikepie]

The one on the RHS of the train facing the platform. It remained open well beyond the barriers as far as I could see when the train left the station - an outside door. You could see the driver driving the train.

[superteacher]

Jul 31, 2013 20:50:49 GMT melikepie said:

The one on the RHS of the train facing the platform. It remained open well beyond the barriers as far as I could see when the train left the station - an outside door. You could see the driver driving the train.

Drivers often leave the cab side door open in warm weather. Increasing numbers of stock have air conditioned cabs these days, but not the C stock train that you saw.

[Deleted]

Drivers drive the train manually and occasionally drive the train with the cab door open and yes it is perfectly safe however it isnt really accepted by management because of the associated risk, the safe bit is that the driver is extra vigilante and is more alert because of the risk of him falling out and nothing has ever happened that way so drivers do it and noone complains

[causton]

The announcement system is because from Paddington - Hammersmith there is not much real-time tracking facility, so they make a PA to all stations in a certain area. Believe this is done from somewhere like Ladbroke Grove, the announcements!

[causton]

Jul 31, 2013 23:31:03 GMT @futtrainop said:

Drivers drive the train manually and occasionally drive the train with the cab door open and yes it is perfectly safe however it isnt really accepted by management because of the associated risk, the safe bit is that the driver is extra vigilante and is more alert because of the risk of him falling out and nothing has ever happened that way so drivers do it and noone complains

Any proof of any of this being real? Haven't heard it before, it's always the secondmans side door anyway so the driver would have to cock up majorly to fall out of the opposite side of the cab!

[Dstock7080]

Offside cab doors cab be left open on '73, C, D Stock. These are not part of the door interlock system while in forward motion, this is left unsealed and no warning alarm sounds.

Nearside cab doors must not be left open while in motion and If a second person is in the cab all doors should be closed.

S Stock are capable of ATO and therefore these facilities do not exist.

C Stock have 'spot coolers' which reduce the temperature, usually around the drivers face. '73 and D stock now have full cab air-cooling.

[class411]

Aug 1, 2013 0:49:01 GMT causton said:

Any proof of any of this being real? Haven't heard it before, it's always the secondmans side door anyway so the driver would have to cock up majorly to fall out of the opposite side of the cab!

I'm amazed you haven't seen this more often (unless you are rare user of the underground). I have seen it (although, it's always been the driver's door I've noticed), countless times, in warmer weather, and never even considered it odd.

It's perfectly safe as underground trains never generate sufficient lateral force to even come close to dislodging a driver.

[superteacher]

1992 stock can be driven with either cab door open, as long as the train is being operated in coded manual.

[rsdworker]

Aug 1, 2013 8:48:25 GMT superteacher said:

1992 stock can be driven with either cab door open, as long as the train is being operated in coded manual.

or ATO - i believe i have seen videos with door open while computer is driving the train

[Deleted]

Aug 1, 2013 5:38:28 GMT Dstock7080 said:

Offside cab doors cab be left open on '73, C, D Stock. These are not part of the door interlock system while in forward motion, this is left unsealed and no warning alarm sounds.

Nearside cab doors must not be left open while in motion and If a second person is in the cab all doors should be closed.

S Stock are capable of ATO and therefore these facilities do not exist.

C Stock have 'spot coolers' which reduce the temperature, usually around the drivers face. '73 and D stock now have full cab air-cooling.

Don't the drivers open up the cabinet next to the door to act like a obstruction to block it incase something rolls around etc?

[superteacher]

Aug 1, 2013 12:45:35 GMT rsdworker said:

Aug 1, 2013 8:48:25 GMT superteacher said:

1992 stock can be driven with either cab door open, as long as the train is being operated in coded manual.

or ATO - i believe i have seen videos with door open while computer is driving the train

Absolutely not. The train cannot be started in ATO mode if any of the cab doors is open. If a train is driving in ATO and the driver opens any of the cab doors then the emergency brake will automatically apply.

[1018509]

Aug 1, 2013 5:38:28 GMT Dstock7080 said:

Offside cab doors cab be left open on '73, C, D Stock. These are not part of the door interlock system while in forward motion, this is left unsealed and no warning alarm sounds.

Nearside cab doors must not be left open while in motion and If a second person is in the cab all doors should be closed.

S Stock are capable of ATO and therefore these facilities do not exist.

C Stock have 'spot coolers' which reduce the temperature, usually around the drivers face. '73 and D stock now have full cab air-cooling.

I always used to make a point of re-sealing the cab-door interlock during the cab maintenance module (1973 stock). I doubt the seal was still intact by the time the train left the depot.

[causton]

Aug 1, 2013 7:29:28 GMT class411 said:

Aug 1, 2013 0:49:01 GMT causton said:

Any proof of any of this being real? Haven't heard it before, it's always the secondmans side door anyway so the driver would have to cock up majorly to fall out of the opposite side of the cab!

I'm amazed you haven't seen this more often (unless you are rare user of the underground). I have seen it (although, it's always been the driver's door I've noticed), countless times, in warmer weather, and never even considered it odd.

It's perfectly safe as underground trains never generate sufficient lateral force to even come close to dislodging a driver.

No that's what I meant, I meant the bit about the management not really liking it and drivers having to go vigilante(?) - yes I have seen it happen before but it's always been the right hand door I've seen (i.e. opposite to the driver!)

[mrfs42]

There is a subtle and fine difference between 'vigilant' and 'vigilante' - we're not talking New Cross (wink, wink, jk, jk before anyone gets wiggy).

[Deleted]

Given that I've seen HSTs being driven with the driver's door open, I'd imagine that it was fine on the (comparatively) pokey C-Stock trains

[rincew1nd]

Aug 20, 2013 18:39:50 GMT @fairysdad said:

Given that I've seen HSTs being driven with the driver's door open, I'd imagine that it was fine on the (comparatively) pokey C-Stock trains

The Driver isn't sat next to the cab door on an HST though!

[Deleted]

Sometimes we would stick a coke can in the cab door to provide extra ventilation. Even as a guard we would sometimes operate with the cab door open.(73 stock).Can get a bit dusty going through the tunnels though.