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Post by trt on Mar 6, 2014 10:31:40 GMT
Got on a SB Bank Branch at Euston platform 6 this morning around 8.40 and the driver repeatedly said it was Kennington via Charing Cross. Lots of people got off at this announcement, for some reason.
I'm guessing he was originally going to go that way but got switched at Camden unexpectedly.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 6, 2014 10:57:46 GMT
Got on a SB Bank Branch at Euston platform 6 this morning around 8.40 and the driver repeatedly said it was Kennington via Charing Cross. Lots of people got off at this announcement, for some reason. I'm guessing he was originally going to go that way but got switched at Camden unexpectedly. Surely if that was the case he must have wondered what had happened to Mornington Crescent? I would imagine the treason people got off was because they didn't want to go via Charing Cross - not everyone is sufficiently familiar with the track layout to realise that a train can't do that from that platform. |
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Post by trt on Mar 6, 2014 14:24:29 GMT
Got on a SB Bank Branch at Euston platform 6 this morning around 8.40 and the driver repeatedly said it was Kennington via Charing Cross. Lots of people got off at this announcement, for some reason. I'm guessing he was originally going to go that way but got switched at Camden unexpectedly. Surely if that was the case he must have wondered what had happened to Mornington Crescent? I would imagine the treason people got off was because they didn't want to go via Charing Cross - not everyone is sufficiently familiar with the track layout to realise that a train can't do that from that platform. Yeah, I'd have thought that too. But with the numbered signals gone now, are there still coded clues as to which branch you are on? I didn't have the presence of mind to see what the DMIs on the platform and the train were doing. :-( There was passenger confusion at KX as well, and I saw the driver talking to a SAT and a supervisor at Angel. Couldn't quite hear what was being said above the noise but I could hear enough to know he was complaining colourfully about the unexpected change of route! |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 6, 2014 22:09:29 GMT
are there still coded clues as to which branch you are on? The driver might have noticed that there was a junction ahead of him (the Euston loop) that wouldn't be there if he was on the other branch |
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Post by stuartroy on Mar 7, 2014 7:44:55 GMT
If the driver is not sufficiently aware to register the loss of Mornington Crescent and the completely different appearance of the two Euston platforms (let alone the Euston loop shunt signal) that's very worrying!
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Post by trt on Mar 7, 2014 10:26:59 GMT
Perhaps the others were right to get off the train then!
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Post by North End on Mar 7, 2014 18:41:04 GMT
If the driver is not sufficiently aware to register the loss of Mornington Crescent and the completely different appearance of the two Euston platforms (let alone the Euston loop shunt signal) that's very worrying! Not really; the nature of the Underground driver's job is such that it's quite common to be working on autopilot. It's very easy to drive a whole trip perfectly correctly without being able to remember anything, or having no idea which station you have just stopped at. Remember that on the Seltrac sections of the Northern Line there are no signals, so every station routine really is the same especially if the train is in ATO. I'd imagine the Victoria Line must be the worst to work, though having said that I've always found Victoria Line operators surprisingly cheerful, some people prefer never being too far from their depot and never being in the same cab longer than 40 mins at a time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 5:04:44 GMT
Not really; the nature of the Underground driver's job is such that it's quite common to be working on autopilot. It's very easy to drive a whole trip perfectly correctly without being able to remember anything, or having no idea which station you have just stopped at. Remember that on the Seltrac sections of the Northern Line there are no signals, so every station routine really is the same especially if the train is in ATO. I'd imagine the Victoria Line must be the worst to work, though having said that I've always found Victoria Line operators surprisingly cheerful, some people prefer never being too far from their depot and never being in the same cab longer than 40 mins at a time. Even though Seltrac doesn’t have signals there must be some sort of indication as to which branch the train was being sent down at Camden Town. At any junction it is the TOps responsibility to check that they are being sent down the correct branch, accepting the wrong direction is similar to a SPAD. Yes, there is a degree of working on “autopilot”, I’ve certainly lost track of stations but at junctions the brain kicks in. The most likely explanation is that the TOp got their duties mixed up, thought they were doing a Kennington via Charing Cross and didn’t realise it was a City Branch train until a lot later but even so they’d still have to explain themselves to a manager at some point. When I trained as a TOp half the trainees were going to Seven Sisters because the Victoria Line has the hardest time retaining staff as apart from going in and out of Northumberland Park it’s all tunnel work. I know one TOp who worked on the Viccy ended up taking medical retirement because they were suffering from SAD due to the lack of natural light. |
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Post by trt on Mar 9, 2014 12:12:23 GMT
Not really; the nature of the Underground driver's job is such that it's quite common to be working on autopilot. It's very easy to drive a whole trip perfectly correctly without being able to remember anything, or having no idea which station you have just stopped at. Remember that on the Seltrac sections of the Northern Line there are no signals, so every station routine really is the same especially if the train is in ATO. I'd imagine the Victoria Line must be the worst to work, though having said that I've always found Victoria Line operators surprisingly cheerful, some people prefer never being too far from their depot and never being in the same cab longer than 40 mins at a time. Even though Seltrac doesn’t have signals there must be some sort of indication as to which branch the train was being sent down at Camden Town. At any junction it is the TOps responsibility to check that they are being sent down the correct branch, accepting the wrong direction is similar to a SPAD. Yes, there is a degree of working on “autopilot”, I’ve certainly lost track of stations but at junctions the brain kicks in. The most likely explanation is that the TOp got their duties mixed up, thought they were doing a Kennington via Charing Cross and didn’t realise it was a City Branch train until a lot later but even so they’d still have to explain themselves to a manager at some point. When I trained as a TOp half the trainees were going to Seven Sisters because the Victoria Line has the hardest time retaining staff as apart from going in and out of Northumberland Park it’s all tunnel work. I know one TOp who worked on the Viccy ended up taking medical retirement because they were suffering from SAD due to the lack of natural light. Christ, don't tell the Daily Mail. They'll say (1) you get paid far too much to suffer from tunnel related psychological stress/SAD and (2) Bring In The Robots. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 12:29:07 GMT
Christ, don't tell the Daily Mail. They'll say (1) you get paid far too much to suffer from tunnel related psychological stress/SAD and (2) Bring In The Robots. They're bringing in the robots, by 2030 only 70% of trains will need a driver, the end is nigh....... ...........I retire in 2027. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 12:29:28 GMT
Christ, don't tell the Daily Mail. They'll say (1) you get paid far too much to suffer from tunnel related psychological stress/SAD and (2) Bring In The Robots. They're bringing in the robots, by 2030 only 70% of trains will need a driver, the end is nigh....... ...........I retire in 2027. Lol well I guess the Bakerloo line will still be running '72 stocks by 2030 so it's not all doom and gloom! Still you say that but the government might yet again raise the pension age- I reckon it'll be at least 74 by the time I'm near retirement age lol! |
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