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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2014 13:08:17 GMT
In the new timetable, provision has been made to stable H&C trains in Upminster depot. These trains will run in service between Barking and Upminster. Does this mean that H&C crews will be roac trained to Upminster, or will they be crewed by District operators? There are only 2 trains scheduled to stable at Upminster, and these are scheduled to begin in February.
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Post by domh245 on Dec 13, 2014 13:25:29 GMT
I suspect that it'll be a similar situation to the C stock coming from Hammersmith to work District Line services, which will mean a District T/Op driving it, but with a H&C route code and train number.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2014 13:44:31 GMT
Incidentally, in the new timetable there are no longer any District line trains stabling at Hammersmith. With the demise of the C stock, there's no longer any need.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 14:05:30 GMT
It would be awesome if H&C trains actually ran to Upminster, but looks to me that it's very likely to not be available for passenger service.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2014 14:59:14 GMT
It would be awesome if H&C trains actually ran to Upminster, but looks to me that it's very likely to not be available for passenger service. The new timetable shows them running in service. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 15:56:47 GMT
It would be awesome if H&C trains actually ran to Upminster, but looks to me that it's very likely to not be available for passenger service. The new timetable shows them running in service. So, does this mean that in the new timetable, people will be able to go direct from places like Farringdon to Upminster? |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2014 15:59:04 GMT
The new timetable shows them running in service. So, does this mean that in the new timetable, people will be able to go direct from places like Farringdon to Upminster? Yes, but there are only 2.early morning and late evening trains per day! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 19:16:03 GMT
So, does this mean that in the new timetable, people will be able to go direct from places like Farringdon to Upminster? Yes, but there are only 2.early morning and late evening trains per day! That infrequent? I do wish it would be in regular service as that would resolve the lack of connections from Arnos Grove to Upminster. |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2014 19:24:03 GMT
Yes, but there are only 2.early morning and late evening trains per day! That infrequent? I do wish it would be in regular service as that would resolve the lack of connections from Arnos Grove to Upminster. It's more for operational reasons than anything else. |
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Post by revupminster on Dec 13, 2014 21:41:55 GMT
This goes back to a timetable 15 or so years ago when 2 C stocks were to travel in passenger service and stable at Upminster. Lasted about two weeks because the stock was too wide and hit the platforms under certain conditions.
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Post by brigham on Dec 13, 2014 22:48:09 GMT
I'm sure turning the blind to 'not in service' won't cure many gauging problems; not unless you've got plenty of avoiding roads.
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Post by revupminster on Dec 14, 2014 13:25:36 GMT
I'm sure turning the blind to 'not in service' won't cure many gauging problems; not unless you've got plenty of avoiding roads. The trains were withdrawn from going beyond Barking even if not in passenger service because of the gauging problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 10:20:23 GMT
I'm sure turning the blind to 'not in service' won't cure many gauging problems; not unless you've got plenty of avoiding roads. The trains were withdrawn from going beyond Barking even if not in passenger service because of the gauging problem. Soon, the H&C and District would have the same stock, so will that cure the gauging problem? |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 15, 2014 11:55:34 GMT
Yes.
If one S7 train fits then every other S7 train will fit (excluding significant damage or modification)
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Post by Colin on Dec 17, 2014 2:56:48 GMT
In the new timetable, provision has been made to stable H&C trains in Upminster depot. These trains will run in service between Barking and Upminster. The new timetable shows them running in service. Which timetable is that then? Whilst the trips are in Upminster's duty books, they're not shown in the District WTT!! Does this mean that H&C crews will be roac trained to Upminster, or will they be crewed by District operators? As alluded to above, they will be crewed by Upminster drivers to & from Barking. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 14:48:07 GMT
In the new timetable, provision has been made to stable H&C trains in Upminster depot. These trains will run in service between Barking and Upminster. The new timetable shows them running in service. Which timetable is that then? Whilst the trips are in Upminster's duty books, they're not shown in the District WTT!! They do appear to be shown running in service on page 8 of the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines' WTT 32, with the timings in bold. A quick extract: |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 17, 2014 19:59:40 GMT
Colin, the H&C workings to Upminster are shown in the Circle and H&C timetable, but not in the main timetable. There is a separate section which lists them.
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Post by Colin on Dec 18, 2014 0:38:16 GMT
Shame the same info never made the District WTT!
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Post by Chris M on Dec 18, 2014 0:52:39 GMT
Obviously a driver needs to know when the train they are driving is scheduled to be where, but how much do they need to know about the movements of other trains?
I guess signallers need to know about all the trains on the patch they are responsible for, and when incoming trains are expected - but what about anything else?
Does a line controller need to know about trains on other lines?
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Post by Antje on Dec 18, 2014 4:31:34 GMT
When all gauging issues are resolved, the flexibility of the S7 Stock will allow virtually any service pattern on the SSL where demand requires it.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 18, 2014 8:01:49 GMT
Does a line controller need to know about trains on other lines? Are connections between last trains on different lines still maintained? |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 18, 2014 9:04:41 GMT
Does a line controller need to know about trains on other lines? Are connections between last trains on different lines still maintained? Yes, the WTT's still list them. |
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Post by danwoodhouse on Dec 18, 2014 21:21:58 GMT
This goes back to a timetable 15 or so years ago when 2 C stocks were to travel in passenger service and stable at Upminster. Lasted about two weeks because the stock was too wide and hit the platforms under certain conditions. yes I remember that very well!
it was working timetable number 5 from 29 May 1994 2 C stocks which were both outer rail circles
I remember coming down to Elm Park station to see them and ride them to Upminster and then seeing them come up as Not In Service
Les Calverley told me that it was he himself who put a stop to the 2 C stocks running in service as he was worried about drivers having to use the CSDE override switch
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Post by class411 on Dec 19, 2014 16:41:00 GMT
Les Calverley told me that it was he himself who put a stop to the 2 C stocks running in service as he was worried about drivers having to use the CSDE override switch Yeah, those CSDE override switches were bu**ers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 0:02:35 GMT
These trains are in passenger service (and some of the weekend ones are technically Circle Lines to/from Hammersmith!) However don't expect anything fantastic on the destination displays, the Hammersmith - Upminster route options were not programmed into the S stock (despite this being on notice 15 months ago) so we are awaiting instructions upon what is to be advised to drivers to show on the destination displays until new programming is uploaded to the S stock options. The drivers duty books usually state the ultimate destination of the train so the driver knows what to put on the display, but for these trips the ultimate destination to Hammersmith isn't even shown which may well compound issues as to what the trains display. (No idea what the H&C book shows.) Initially expect a change of destination to be announced "mid route"!
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