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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 4, 2016 16:37:26 GMT
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Post by DWS on Mar 4, 2016 16:48:15 GMT
Well it has been planed for some years for new trains to be introduced on the Glasgow Subway. Any one know where the new trains will be built.
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Post by grahamhewett on Mar 4, 2016 18:14:58 GMT
This is a major breakthrough for Stadler both in terms of the UK market and the urban transit sector in particular. I doubt that they will be built in the UK because Stadler has no existing works here and the order wouldn't justify opening a manufacturing base just for 17 sets. Might be built in Switzerland (unlikely) or one of Stadler's other bases such as Poland or Hungary. Interesting. |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 4, 2016 23:15:56 GMT
I'd rather they used the DLR style of driverless.
Some of the stations have narrow island platforms and there was a case for platform doors even without automation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 7:51:08 GMT
I'd rather they used the DLR style of driverless. Excuse my ignorance. How do they differ. |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 6, 2016 11:48:39 GMT
Excuse my ignorance. How do they differ. The trains drive themselves but also carry a real human member of staff who closes the doors and initiates station departure plus can drive the train if need be. Oh and also offers travel advice, checks tickets, helps deter vandalism... ...the only bad aspect of this is that on the DLR they also get in a tizzy if they see someone using their own camera to film the train or the forward view out the front window, (although they have no problem with the DLR using its surveillance cameras). Simon |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 6, 2016 12:27:24 GMT
Do we \actually know whether the new Clockwork Orange trains will have any staff on board? Or will they be driverless in the DLR sense?
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 6, 2016 12:44:24 GMT
Do we \actually know whether the new Clockwork Orange trains will have any staff on board? Or will they be driverless in the DLR sense? From what I recall the press release announcing the new trains etc did not specify whether the trains will be fully unstaffed (like airport shuttles) or retain roving passenger service agents - as per the DLR.
The trains will be fully unattended / unstaffed. Simon |
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Post by brigham on Mar 8, 2016 15:23:20 GMT
"Foreign Trains for Glasgow Subway"
Has D.C. Thomson picked up on it yet?
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Post by 100andthirty on Mar 8, 2016 15:59:20 GMT
In case anyone is unaware, Ansaldo STS is effectively a subsidiary of Hitachi. I believe there are still a few hurdles to overcome before Hitachi owns all the shares, but they are effectively in control.
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Post by longhedge on Mar 11, 2016 9:21:44 GMT
Excuse my ignorance. How do they differ. The trains drive themselves but also carry a real human member of staff who closes the doors and initiates station departure plus can drive the train if need be. Oh and also offers travel advice, checks tickets, helps deter vandalism... ...the only bad aspect of this is that on the DLR they also get in a tizzy if they see someone using their own camera to film the train or the forward view out the front window, (although they have no problem with the DLR using its surveillance cameras). Simon At risk of going off topic, I have never had a problem filming on the DLR. The last time I did it, the on board staff member caused me some hassle, not forbidding filming, but by chatting to me all the time between `doing the doors` at the station. As always, it does seem down to the individual member of staff. The DLR obviously does not have a security problem re filming, as the `total` DLR, including the Bank Tunnel, is viewable on the recent 2 Videoscene cab ride videos, including depot shots. |
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Post by North End on Mar 11, 2016 12:05:44 GMT
The trains drive themselves but also carry a real human member of staff who closes the doors and initiates station departure plus can drive the train if need be. Oh and also offers travel advice, checks tickets, helps deter vandalism... ...the only bad aspect of this is that on the DLR they also get in a tizzy if they see someone using their own camera to film the train or the forward view out the front window, (although they have no problem with the DLR using its surveillance cameras). Simon At risk of going off topic, I have never had a problem filming on the DLR. The last time I did it, the on board staff member caused me some hassle, not forbidding filming, but by chatting to me all the time between `doing the doors` at the station. As always, it does seem down to the individual member of staff. The DLR obviously does not have a security problem re filming, as the `total` DLR, including the Bank Tunnel, is viewable on the recent 2 Videoscene cab ride videos, including depot shots. I don't think there is a major issue on the DLR, however this never precludes the odd bad apple who wants to be difficult. After all the publicity I expected Glasgow to be a potential issue with photographs, however with one exception the staff could not have been more welcoming, ended up with a visit to the control room, and a look round the disused parts of Kelvinbridge station. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 12, 2016 22:32:52 GMT
I would ignore Simon's comments about being hassled on any system, personally. It seems he has issues wherever he goes, all of the time, on every system.
The majority of staff won't have a problem with someone who is following the rules and doesn't get aggressive if questioned. Always exceptions, but I can count the number of issues I've had personally on one hand - and the majority of those weren't from railway staff.
Anyway - Back on topic please, folks!
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Post by jacko1 on Mar 18, 2016 16:56:16 GMT
Do we \actually know whether the new Clockwork Orange trains will have any staff on board? Or will they be driverless in the DLR sense? From what I recall the press release announcing the new trains etc did not specify whether the trains will be fully unstaffed (like airport shuttles) or retain roving passenger service agents - as per the DLR.
The trains will be fully unattended / unstaffed. Simon oh what joy to use on a Friday and sat night with all the pi__heads about ! |
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Post by jacko1 on Mar 18, 2016 17:01:35 GMT
are the clockwork orange drivers aslef ,rmt or other union? thanks
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Post by Chris M on Mar 18, 2016 20:17:11 GMT
Googling "Glasgow subway strike" brings up news reports from 2014 that strongly suggest Unite is the only union with significant presence, articles from 2002 talk about drivers being in the Transport & General Workers Union - which became Unite when it merged with Amicus in 2007. Articles about the new trains however do quote the operators SPT talking about "the unions" (plural).
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Post by 1018509 on Mar 22, 2016 21:54:33 GMT
Great to go down the tried and tested route isn't it? |
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Post by up1989 on Jul 2, 2016 10:01:24 GMT
If only 17 trains have been ordered will the original still run as well? So some will be uto and others ato?(Ie the 70s metro camell stock)
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 2, 2016 10:46:29 GMT
If only 17 trains have been ordered will the original still run as well? So some will be uto and others ato?(Ie the 70s metro camell stock) All trains will be new. Currently 12 3-car trains operate the service with 5 cars spare. |
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Post by up1989 on Jul 2, 2016 12:39:18 GMT
Ah right Ito be a shame that it goes driverless  I wonder whether the current drivers will be offered train captain roles? |
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Post by Chris M on Jul 2, 2016 23:09:24 GMT
I wonder whether the current drivers will be offered train captain roles? I expect that there would be legal issues if they weren't. Doubly so if the duties will include driving the train if the ATO fails at any point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 1:11:37 GMT
Ah right Ito be a shame that it goes driverless I wonder whether the current drivers will be offered train captain roles? It does say in the release that they will switch to Unattended Train Operation. So if that's true, there won't be any train captain roles to offer anybody. |
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Post by pgb on Jul 3, 2016 10:17:36 GMT
If only 17 trains have been ordered will the original still run as well? So some will be uto and others ato?(Ie the 70s metro camell stock) All trains will be new. Currently 12 3-car trains operate the service with 5 cars spare. Most trains appear to pause at Govan (I think) for about five or six minutes which I presume is to stop the driver getting a headache going round too often without a break (ignoring meal breaks etc). So could you either increase the frequency by removing this stop or reduce the amount of sets needed in traffic by not having it? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 30, 2016 16:51:35 GMT
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Post by brigham on Aug 30, 2016 17:38:56 GMT
Oh lor'! Even the running rail is imported!
When are we going to wake up?
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Post by rsdworker on Aug 31, 2016 12:38:47 GMT
intersting - note Introducing the first UTO service in the UK - seems this incorrect - we have UTO systems exist in airports in UK example gatwick movers
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Post by patrickb on Aug 31, 2016 17:52:15 GMT
Curious as to what the safety implications of this are... "Help we're stuck in the tunnel", "don't worry, the on-board CCTV will show us the way" Don't know how effective the on-board CCTV will be if there's a power failure though...
UTO is concerning, especially as once it's in use, it will form the base to every argument on the subject of why "we need Driver-less trains".
It should be noted though that Glascow Subway is in effect a simple system to automate and was to a large degree already fully automated for a while.
However, I'm curious as to why UTO was necessary. What more does it have to bring to the table compared to ATO, aside from the fact that a dozen or so jobs have been lost.
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Post by silenthunter on Aug 31, 2016 18:21:19 GMT
This is a major breakthrough for Stadler both in terms of the UK market and the urban transit sector in particular. I doubt that they will be built in the UK because Stadler has no existing works here and the order wouldn't justify opening a manufacturing base just for 17 sets. Might be built in Switzerland (unlikely) or one of Stadler's other bases such as Poland or Hungary. Interesting. They also have a big order from Abellio Greater Anglia for their FLIRT EMUs as well. |
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Post by up1989 on Sept 7, 2016 16:36:16 GMT
I've heard there aren't many if at all any points on the running line so it is relatively simple line, but it is unnerving as many other metro and tocs in the uk will think about uto, especially with the ntfl.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 7, 2016 20:06:52 GMT
I've heard there aren't many if at all any points on the running line [of the Glasgow Subway] so it is relatively simple line. The only points are the access to the depot. Until 1980 it had no points at all - trains being craned in and out of the depot. |
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I wonder whether the current drivers will be offered train captain roles?
