Q stock to run again?

[spsmiler]

Hmm, I read whats being said here with dismay but not surprise... something which in the past was permitted is not now.

I was going to use the July events to also film S stock trains on the 4 track section in west London, so that I can make some more contrasts films with 1990's footage and the little super 8 footage of CP/CO and R stocks which I filmed in the 1980s.

Simon

[bassmike]

Mk1 and MK2/3 coaches must have run on the tunnel sections of the District to reach Upminster open days ond the Gatex /electric loco tours.There were no connections to NR then.

[norbitonflyer]

Mark 2s certainly did, although I doubt the longer mark 3s could. In any case, the current prohibition on the TC set might not be for gauging reasons.

[patrickb]

There have been a few posts on this thread regarding heritage events. May the forces of moderation and such feel free to move this and a few posts to an appropriate existing or new thread if they wish.

There is word from inside that a new Steam on the Met event is being planned for the Autumn. LTM are awaiting approval for the event to take place with Met No.1, 4TC set and Sarah Siddons.

[superteacher]

Apr 12, 2016 18:38:58 GMT patrickb said:

There have been a few posts on this thread regarding heritage events. May the forces of moderation and such feel free to move this and a few posts to an appropriate existing or new thread if they wish.

There is word from inside that a new Steam on the Met event is being planned for the Autumn. LTM are awaiting approval for the event to take place with Met No.1, 4TC set and Sarah Siddons.

Mod comment: I feel that the discussion of heritage events is closely related to the Q stock, which would of course be part of a heritage event if it ran again. Only if somebody wants to have a detailed discussion about a particular heritage event would I see the need for a totally new thread.

Like all threads, the mods / admins monitor things and if the thread diverges from its original purpose, then we may act upon that.

[Deleted]

Didn't the Met carriages run when they run Met 1 from Northfields to Moorgate to Hammersmith?

[christopher125]

There's a positive sounding update regarding the Q Stock restoration on the LTM Friends site: www.ltmuseumfriends.co.uk/projects/friends/project/33/q-stock

While it won't be operational for 2018, they've worked up a positive business case and pending sign-off by TfL expect to advertise for a part-time Project Manager 'immediately'.

[patrickb]

Jul 30, 2016 14:16:16 GMT christopher125 said:

There's a positive sounding update regarding the Q Stock restoration on the LTM Friends site: www.ltmuseumfriends.co.uk/projects/friends/project/33/q-stock

While it won't be operational for 2018, they've worked up a positive business case and pending sign-off by TfL expect to advertise for a part-time Project Manager 'immediately'.

Very good news, I was always skeptical about the 2018 deadline for restoration of the 35 and 38 units to operational running. However, I look forward to seeing it on display.

Meanwhile, what on earth is going on with that COP Stock. So much more could have been done to get that unit working again for the District Anniversary, the chances were there when the C Stock was withdrawn.
It's looking more likely that Quainton will be it's grave to me.

[Chris W]

Jul 31, 2016 22:12:26 GMT patrickb said:

Meanwhile, what on earth is going on with that COP Stock. So much more could have been done to get that unit working again for the District Anniversary, the chances were there when the C Stock was withdrawn.
It's looking more likely that Quainton will be it's grave to me.

As far as I'm aware, the 3-car COP unit at Quainton is privately owned and worked on by two enthusiasts. I believe that they fund and undertake the work on the cars themselves. I briefly spoke to the some 3 years ago when they gave me a guided tour. Back then they hoped to get the unit under cover...

[class411]

Aug 1, 2016 20:26:57 GMT Chris W said:

Jul 31, 2016 22:12:26 GMT patrickb said:

Meanwhile, what on earth is going on with that COP Stock. So much more could have been done to get that unit working again for the District Anniversary, the chances were there when the C Stock was withdrawn.
It's looking more likely that Quainton will be it's grave to me.

As far as I'm aware, the 3-car COP unit at Quainton is privately owned and worked on by two enthusiasts. I believe that they fund and undertake the work on the cars themselves. I briefly spoke to the some 3 years ago when they gave me a guided tour. Back then they hoped to get the unit under cover...

[OffTopic]

From the link - row four:

It's amazing that that little pannier tank loco (what a beauty) can get enough traction to pull four adults - or am I missing something?

[/OffTopic]

It would be wonderful if someone could get restored Q stock set running on the underground - I would pay serious money for a trip on on of those.

[patrickb]

Aug 1, 2016 20:26:57 GMT Chris W said:

Jul 31, 2016 22:12:26 GMT patrickb said:

Meanwhile, what on earth is going on with that COP Stock. So much more could have been done to get that unit working again for the District Anniversary, the chances were there when the C Stock was withdrawn.
It's looking more likely that Quainton will be it's grave to me.

As far as I'm aware, the 3-car COP unit at Quainton is privately owned and worked on by two enthusiasts. I believe that they fund and undertake the work on the cars themselves. I briefly spoke to the some 3 years ago when they gave me a guided tour. Back then they hoped to get the unit under cover...

Thanks. Yes, I was aware of the group of owners / volunteers who are 'slowly' restoring the unit.
The problem is that no substantial progress is being achieved. I spoke to someone who is a regular visitor at the Bucks Railways Centre who inspected the unit and told me that parts of all three cars are in worse shape and corrosion is becoming more evident as it's exposed even more to the elements.

Hopefully a long term plan is in place and I still give my full support for the project.

[compsci]

Since it doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet, the 4TC + 353 are running with Met 1, L150 and the obligatory diesel on 10 and 11 September. More information here

353 is almost sold out, but there is plenty of space in the 4TC.

[christopher125]

Any news since the July update regarding the business case, project manager etc?

[Deleted]

Yes, I believe the project manager is the person who was managing the battle bus project.

[christopher125]

Dec 18, 2016 21:49:43 GMT @luacton said:

Yes, I believe the project manager is the person who was managing the battle bus project.

Thanks, some good news!

[christopher125]

This progress report sounds encouraging: www.ltmuseumfriends.co.uk/projects/friends/project/33/q-stock

Here is a summary of the position as at May 2017:

Work has been undertaken to confirm that the cars are still within gauge for the relevant sections of the modern Underground railway and can work with current line voltages. Another major issue is now being addressed: whether the operation of these heritage cars is compatible with proposed new Underground signalling systems.

Whilst these studies have been under way, a considerable amount of preparatory work has been carried out by small team of dedicated volunteers. Some of this has been preliminary restoration work, particularly on the interior fittings, flooring and door mechanisms of one of the Q38 motor cars. Research has also been conducted in contemporary technical publications; and parts stored at Acton Depot have been located, together with a list of other missing parts which will need to be replaced.

A business case has been worked up, analysing forecast costs and revenue for the operation of the Q-stock train, targeted at both corporate hire and public events, plus some income from static hire for filming. The business case is positive under both optimistic more cautious assumptions.

A project manager has been appointed, funded from the donations already accumulated by the Friends. The project manager has produced a costed project plan, initially for the restoration of the three cars. This plan is being assessed against currently available funds

The aim is to demonstrate substantial progress with the restoration project by 2018 – the 150th anniversary year of what is now the District Line. This will be a peg on which to hang any further fundraising efforts – initially for the restoration of the three cars and subsequently for the later restoration of the fourth (Q23) car. Restoration will not be completed by 2018, but there are subsequent openings of further sections of the District Line, which will provide suitable anniversaries to mark with the train.

[brigham]

Encouraging news indeed.
I heard on another thread that we are one car closer to 'Steam on the District'!

[Deleted]

I believe the two Q stock cars that were stored at Acton works have now been relocated.

[tjw]

If you like encouraging news, I did read a comment from one of the Carriage and Wagon dept. at the IOW steam railway, that the MR rigid 8 stock would make a good future restoration. N.B. The rigid 8 stock currently resides as a row of beach huts.

[brigham]

The MET rigid 8-wheelers must have been the earliest example of ex-Underground stock going to the IOW.
A keen eye needs to be kept on beach huts and suchlike. Many items deemed to be 'lost' still survive in this form.

[metman]

I was talking to one of the project team and he was very encouraging about the Q stock. It appears the same Motors and compressors are being used and the lighting issue has been resolved.

[Ben]

Excellent. Some real heritage getting the attention it long deserved. Can only hope the remaining standard stock is afforded similar luck soon too.

[Deleted]

May 17, 2017 9:30:15 GMT metman said:

I was talking to one of the project team and he was very encouraging about the Q stock. It appears the same Motors and compressors are being used and the lighting issue has been resolved.

Wasn't they going to use equipment from the C stock to enable the Q stock to run?

[Deleted]

May 17, 2017 15:49:16 GMT @aetearlscourt said:

May 17, 2017 9:30:15 GMT metman said:

I was talking to one of the project team and he was very encouraging about the Q stock. It appears the same Motors and compressors are being used and the lighting issue has been resolved.

Wasn't they going to use equipment from the C stock to enable the Q stick to run?

Parts of A, C and D I believe. 

[Dstock7080]

May 17, 2017 16:54:02 GMT @luacton said:

Parts of A, C and D I believe. 

mmm that will sound very authentic !

[metman]

The parts include the door engines but not the motors or traction equipment if I understand. They will have a motor generator but otherwise maybe authentic!

They are even casting up replacement lamp shades for the Q38s!

[Deleted]

This is fantastic news. Hopefully there will be a crowdfunding event too. I'll be more than happy to chip in with a few notes.

[Deleted]

Jun 13, 2017 18:20:38 GMT wivenswold said:

This is fantastic news. Hopefully there will be a crowdfunding event too. I'll be more than happy to chip in with a few notes.

I thought there had already been one, but could be wrong.

[Deleted]

Mar 25, 2016 18:39:46 GMT Chris W said:

Mar 25, 2016 17:32:11 GMT silverfoxcc said:

If money was no object in restoring to line use, is there enough CO/CP R stock around to make a running train feasible?

To the best of my knowledge there are 7 surviving cars of CO/CP & R stocks:

CO/CP
53028-013063-54233: located at Quainton (Buckinghamshire Railway)
54256: Was misreported as moving from the Whitwell & Reepham Railway, Norfolk for the Epping & Ongar Railway back in September 2015. I had a conversation with a senior employee of the railway who was unaware of any arrangements being made for the car to arrive at the EOR, nor did it ever arrive at Ongar or North Weald - current location unknown.

R Stock
21147: located at Pump House Museum in Walthamstow
22624: located at Mangapps Farm Railway
22679: located at the LT Museum Acton

IMO none will ever operate again, not for the want of trying... certainly with regards to the 3 cars at Quainton

Just dragging up an old thread rather than starting a new one....21147

Does anyone know where this currently is please? As i understand it, it used to be at the Pump House Museum in Walthamstow, and was then moved to the 'Routemaster Heritage Centre, Hanwell' which was basically a huge storage yard close to the GWML at West Drayton?

That yard was cleared for Crossrail/electrification works i think and now Wikipedia says it is at 'Men at Work TV and Film Props' company on a trading Estate in Egham: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_R_Stock#Withdrawal_and_preservation

It is certainly on their website, here:

menatwork.co.uk/underground-tube-carriage/

and

menatwork.co.uk/underground-train-1949/

However, Men At Work appear to be based on a trading estate on Trumpers Way, back in Hanwell, not Egham. But looking around google streetview and google maps i cannot see any open yards with houses in the background similar to those in the photos on their website.

Any ideas anyone as to it's current location please?

Thanks

[spsmiler]

Mar 25, 2016 18:39:46 GMT Chris W said:

Mar 25, 2016 17:32:11 GMT silverfoxcc said:

If money was no object in restoring to line use, is there enough CO/CP R stock around to make a running train feasible?

To the best of my knowledge there are 7 surviving cars of CO/CP & R stocks:

CO/CP
53028-013063-54233: located at Quainton (Buckinghamshire Railway)
54256: Was misreported as moving from the Whitwell & Reepham Railway, Norfolk for the Epping & Ongar Railway back in September 2015. I had a conversation with a senior employee of the railway who was unaware of any arrangements being made for the car to arrive at the EOR, nor did it ever arrive at Ongar or North Weald - current location unknown.

R Stock
21147: located at Pump House Museum in Walthamstow
22624: located at Mangapps Farm Railway
22679: located at the LT Museum Acton

IMO none will ever operate again, not for the want of trying... certainly with regards to the 3 cars at Quainton

Thats a shame, as I recall that R stock sounded different to the CO/CP stocks. The R stock had a constant whine noise which I suppose can be attributed to the electrics required for the fluorescent tubes. Also, some of the R stock was much newer than the rest - dating from the late 1950's.

btw, I did once try to record sound, using a cassette tape machine. But the technology let me down.

Simon