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Post by 2pintz on Jul 25, 2018 16:38:46 GMT
When all the new signalling fitted on the underground there will be no heritage trains running on the underground the Q STOCK to run on non LUL lines with a generator car to say Enjoy while it lasts to say PS Luacton not to sure what you are saying and part signalling with the AIT dumped Not quite sure which part you mean, but fitting a 'box of tricks' which could easily be transferred between different heritage stocks would not be so easy. The actual equipment is fairly bulky, plus adding on all the 'permanent' additions the various pieces of heritage stock would need makes the whole idea very impractical. One of the more expensive jobs is making a train 'profile' so the signalling understands what the train is able to do and how large a braking gap you need. At present only the 38ts is planned to be fitted, but the q stock will as well if funding permits. The q stock generator wagon is still just an idea, and the budget is what will be the main factor for whether it happens or not. The q stock is being done to run on the underground, and any external running will just be a bonus. Whilst I'm sure the cost would be significantly more than could easily be raised, would a kickstarter or specific fundraising page potentially help fund this (or at least part-fund key elements to future-proof should additional funding to deliver become available in the future?) |
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Post by miff on Jul 26, 2018 15:32:12 GMT
What about Sarah?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 16:49:42 GMT
Thats actually a very good question. I can try find out when I am back in work on monday. |
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Post by fish7373 on Jul 26, 2018 21:54:54 GMT
AT the moment Sarrah on HO at Eastleigh works with the 4 TC
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Post by miff on Jul 26, 2018 22:15:22 GMT
My question was intended to be about Sarah and future signalling upgrades. I’m aware she’s currently away.
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Post by fish7373 on Jul 26, 2018 23:17:21 GMT
My question was intended to be about Sarah and future signalling upgrades. I’m aware she’s currently away. Not much room in Sarah even with bolt stuff |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 7:37:37 GMT
I always thought long term they would use battery locos to act as the communicator on any sort of heritage train, but I know that is not possible most of the time.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 27, 2018 9:00:23 GMT
My question was intended to be about Sarah and future signalling upgrades. I’m aware she’s currently away. Not much room in Sarah even with bolt stuff Does the signalling stuff have to be in the vehicle? If 'Sarah' was permanently coupled to a carriage, could all the gubbins be put in the end of that, with the rest of the carriage given over to passengers? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 9:30:52 GMT
Not much room in Sarah even with bolt stuff Does the signalling stuff have to be in the vehicle? If 'Sarah' was permanently coupled to a carriage, could all the gubbins be put in the end of that, with the rest of the carriage given over to passengers? There are loco based 'mods' that would have to occur, but it could be possible. Ultimately it would increase the amount of work, and a new jumper (electrical and air) fitted for between loco and support wagon etc. The battery locos have been done in such a way you have two locos that are communicating with 'dummy' wagons between. I don't understand exactly how the system works, but if it is used anything like the RAT trains are done on ATP, then only one 'computer' will need to be communicating at once (but two required as a redundancy, especially if uncoupling at any point). |
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Post by fish7373 on Jul 28, 2018 18:14:21 GMT
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Post by ted672 on Jul 28, 2018 19:03:15 GMT
That is the oddest thing, but definitely thinking out of the box. There's a video of it here: Quite strange!
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Post by patrickb on Aug 25, 2018 1:35:31 GMT
Seen this crop up.A big effort is being made from members of the LTM to get 3 Cars of Q Stock operational once again and to demonstrate substantial progress of this by the 150th Anniversary of the District Line. Saying that, I don't know of any such arrangements being announced to mark the occasion which will also be sadly shadowed by the opening of Her Majesty's Railway of London. But I guess we'll be too busy stuffing our Turkeys and ourselves anyway.  A final push and £150,000 will hopefully see them able to run the two Q38s and Q35 Trailer but not under their own power. Extra funds are required to restore Brake Vans B583 + B584 so that potentially they could function whilst the Q Stock is loco hauled.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 25, 2018 22:54:24 GMT
Even if not running, simply getting them in a bay platform somewhere where the public can see them and even enter them to have a look around would make for a great achievement.
This would be similar to what was done during Steam On the Met 2000 when some coaches from the Chesham Set were placed in the sidings at Rickmansworth.
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Post by miff on Aug 26, 2018 7:31:32 GMT
Does this mean the proposal to run them under their own power is abandoned?
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Post by Chris M on Aug 26, 2018 9:15:01 GMT
Postponed rather than abandoned I wound suggest, possibly out of a realisation it would not be feasible to achieve for the desired occasion.
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Post by fish7373 on Aug 26, 2018 11:08:39 GMT
This is the LT museum web site go to the web page. Coped and paste PS But we can’t do it without your support. We need to generate £100,000 to complete work on the undercarriage of all three cars and a further £50,000 to restore two brake vans which will enable the train to run. donate.ltmuseum.co.uk/q-stock-restoration/ |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 17:00:22 GMT
Now says they want £200,000
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 19, 2018 18:08:13 GMT
What a surprise the cost is spiralling up and up, with no clear plan set out as to how - and where - the train will actually run.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 18:20:11 GMT
Wont be running anywhere if they keep delaying
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Post by 2pintz on Nov 19, 2018 18:42:55 GMT
Now says they want £200,000 Isn't the £200k just the total of the £100k and the 2x£50k? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 19:40:23 GMT
Fish7373 post makes £150,000 if my maths is correct
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 19, 2018 19:43:11 GMT
Yes, they're saying its £50k to do both brake vans, i.e. £25k each.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 19, 2018 20:44:36 GMT
They say that they want to restore three cars. But I thought that it was going to be a four car train?
As for where they can run it, would it be allowed to travel on the Piccadilly line via Ealing Common to Rayners Lane (and then to the Met main line?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 21:26:43 GMT
They say that they want to restore three cars. But I thought that it was going to be a four car train? As for where they can run it, would it be allowed to travel on the Piccadilly line via Ealing Common to Rayners Lane (and then to the Met main line?) Signalling will be the issue in the not to distance future. They are doing 3 cars first, then the 4th if funding allows. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 11:05:42 GMT
Taken from LU's Intranet
•£5 will light up one of 250 1930s fluted lampshades
•£15 will decorate the cars with a reproduction poster from the 1930s to 1960s
•£50 will fit a panel of original lacewood along the interior walls of the cars
•£100 will help paint the cars in their classic train red, cerulean blue or gold
•£330 will cover a seat with moquette in a vintage design
•£8,000 to repair one air compressor needed to power up the doors and breaks of the cars. Two compressors need repairing
•£25,000 to overhaul the mechanical engineering of a brake van to safely slow and stop the cars once up and running; two brake vans require restoration
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 20, 2018 16:24:54 GMT
If anyone still wondered if this was a restoration to a self-powered condition, the fact that all the targets relate to cosmetic things should answer your questions...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 19:13:06 GMT
Notice the spelling is breaks this wasn’t down to me
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 19:18:28 GMT
Again I realise this is another one of my far fetched ideas but maybe a more economical alternative to restoring rolling stock to full self powered condition would be to create some sort of 2 car pilot train (2 double ended unit DMs not for passenger use; the space inside would be for compressors and in the future potentially computer equipment). The traction unit could even be fitted with a Diesel engine for working off LU metals if the funding was there... (could LU even buy a 2 car D Stock unit off Vivarail?)
I would presume then that my fantasy pilot unit would then work in a similar fashion to the JLE diesels and the Cravens 1960 Stock did at the EOR, and not only could this mean the Q Stock moving around the network sooner than currently expected, but even possibly the running of non complete units (such as the C, R or A Stock) that are never expected to run again. Maybe even the AIT outer DMs could be repurposed for this use? All this is a spur of the moment idea so do excuse the ridiculousness, but I’d like to see how experts and many other sensible people besides) respond to a schoolboy’s far fetched ideas...
(Please don’t hold back on telling me how awful this idea is
😉...)
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Post by Chris W on Nov 20, 2018 19:56:54 GMT
Again I realise this is another one of my far fetched ideas but maybe a more economical alternative to restoring rolling stock to full self powered condition would be to create some sort of 2 car pilot train (2 double ended unit DMs not for passenger use; the space inside would be for compressors and in the future potentially computer equipment). The traction unit could even be fitted with a Diesel engine for working off LU metals if the funding was there... (could LU even buy a 2 car D Stock unit off Vivarail?) I would presume then that my fantasy pilot unit would then work in a similar fashion to the JLE diesels and the Cravens 1960 Stock did at the EOR, and not only could this mean the Q Stock moving around the network sooner than currently expected, but even possibly the running of non complete units (such as the C, R or A Stock) that are never expected to run again. Maybe even the AIT outer DMs could be repurposed for this use? All this is a spur of the moment idea so do excuse the ridiculousness, but I’d like to see how experts and many other sensible people besides) respond to a schoolboy’s far fetched ideas... (Please don’t hold back on telling me how awful this idea is 😉...) Where to start....
Money - the above would cost hundreds of thousands.... if not millions..... how many thousands of enthusiasts are there who are willing/able to pay 'top dollar/pound' to travel on such hybrid units...
Then there is each car.... the A... the C... and the R stock.... all of which are driving motor cars. Therefore they will contain similar, albeit, non-compatible equipment.
There is also a reason why a unit it called a unit. Each car performs a task that compliments one another, much like a team. With no team to work together, they are merely static cars. This would mean that components under solebar would need to be designed, built and installed allowing them to operate together.... not to mention the time it would take to test so that they could operate to the high standards that LU operate to.
And then there's the man/woman/person-hours. More than double all the design, construction, installation and testing costs that would need to be undertaken and you might be getting close. So we're back to the Money question/issue again!
If you are a schoolboy billionaire.... then game on..... 
The only challenge then, is to deal with the LTM re whether they would be happy for the work to be undertaken on their cars... not to mention speaking to TfL re access to their railway..... 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 20:20:35 GMT
Again I realise this is another one of my far fetched ideas but maybe a more economical alternative to restoring rolling stock to full self powered condition would be to create some sort of 2 car pilot train (2 double ended unit DMs not for passenger use; the space inside would be for compressors and in the future potentially computer equipment). The traction unit could even be fitted with a Diesel engine for working off LU metals if the funding was there... (could LU even buy a 2 car D Stock unit off Vivarail?) I would presume then that my fantasy pilot unit would then work in a similar fashion to the JLE diesels and the Cravens 1960 Stock did at the EOR, and not only could this mean the Q Stock moving around the network sooner than currently expected, but even possibly the running of non complete units (such as the C, R or A Stock) that are never expected to run again. Maybe even the AIT outer DMs could be repurposed for this use? All this is a spur of the moment idea so do excuse the ridiculousness, but I’d like to see how experts and many other sensible people besides) respond to a schoolboy’s far fetched ideas... (Please don’t hold back on telling me how awful this idea is 😉...) Wasn’t this Q38 a pilot goo.gl/images/E8RwCq |
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