New 96TS DVA (including door side announcement)

[mcmaddog]

I noticed earlier this week a set which had "Doors will open on the right hand side" announced as well as repeated on the screen. I was on one of the prototype trains with the odd door pillars (maybe 005).

Certainly was announced very clearly and seems a good enhancement.

PS I don't think anything else has changed including keeping the different lady announcing the destination.

[Dom K]

Jun 10, 2016 9:41:08 GMT mcmaddog said:

I noticed earlier this week a set which had "Doors will open on the right hand side" announced as well as repeated on the screen. I was on one of the prototype trains with the odd door pillars (maybe 005).

Certainly was announced very clearly and seems a good enhancement.

PS I don't think anything else has changed including keeping the different lady announcing the destination.

mcmaddog Is it possible to edit your post/thread title to ensure you include stock type as those reading via "most recent posts" will know what you refer to. Many Thanks

[phoenixcronin]

Interesting, whose voice was is?

[will]

Is it announced in the same way as the Victoria Line i.e. "The next station is Canary Wharf doors will open on the left hand side - change here for the DLR"?

Thanks

[mcmaddog]

Sorry not too au fait with the names but it was the same as the next station voice. The doors announcement is immediately after the next station announcement.

[crusty54]

Jun 10, 2016 19:10:35 GMT mcmaddog said:

Sorry not too au fait with the names but it was the same as the next station voice. The doors announcement is immediately after the next station announcement.

which line?

[rincew1nd]

Jun 10, 2016 19:17:02 GMT crusty54 said:

which line?

The thread is titled "96ts..." which AFAIK only run on the Jubilee Line; this thread is on the Jubilee Line board, so I suspect it's the Jubilee line.

[Deleted]

The announcement is in the exact same voice and style as the 'The next station is... x. Change for x,y,z'

All that has been changed is the new 'Doors will open on the * hand side'

Here's an audio clip containing the change, enjoy!

[phoenixcronin]

Indeed the voice is the same (Celia Drummond) although it's clear that it's been recorded recently as its spoken at a slightly slower pace than the original announcements

[Alight]

Thanks for sharing that!

[uzairjubilee]

Very well done!

[metman]

Thanks for adding this. I wonder if there is a desire to roll this out on the entire network or just certain lines?

[t697]

Does it have the new announcement approaching Stanmore and Stratford too? Thus implying extra data coming from the ATC since there are 3 platforms and 2 possible sides.

[countryman]

They use this on DB, although obviously in German, When they approach a terminus, the recorded announcement tells you the station, then the conductor/guard makes the platform announcement live.

[Deleted]

I noticed it too. IIRC it got a bit mixed up at Westminster (EB) - it said the doors would open on the right-hand side, but they (as usual) opened on the left.

[Deleted]

It looks like a bit of debugging or tweaking is required to the software for the Westminster announcements.

[Deleted]

North Greenwich is the same (doors open one side going one way and the other side going the other way).

[t697]

Hmm, doesn't sound like enough thought or checking done here really! This is a case of 'if you can't get it right, don't do it at all'. Surely the wrong information is worse than no information?
How things are now... In the past I've been called for a single error on D stock CIS of an upper case 'L' in 'Central Line' at Ealing Broadway. Every single other one through the line was correctly 'line'. Never spotted it? Check the line diagrams. LUL definitely wants it like that.

[Deleted]

Jun 18, 2016 19:53:17 GMT t697 said:

Hmm, doesn't sound like enough thought or checking done here really! This is a case of 'if you can't get it right, don't do it at all'. Surely the wrong information is worse than no information?
How things are now... In the past I've been called for a single error on D stock CIS of an upper case 'L' in 'Central Line' at Ealing Broadway. Every single other one through the line was correctly 'line'. Never spotted it? Check the line diagrams. LUL definitely wants it like that.

They might, but I think it's incorrect English. Any title will normally have initial caps on all of the key words, e.g. "Royal Family". The lower case "line" used on TfL train displays does irritate me in a small kind of way. "District" and "Line" are surely both key words in this very compact title.

[Chris M]

That depends on whether the route from e.g. Walthamstow Central to Brixton is called "Victoria Line" or if it's just a line called "Victoria" (i.e. is "[L|l]ine" part of the name or simply an adjective?

If the former you should: "Change here for the line called Central Line." → "Change here for Central Line."
If the latter you should: "Change here for the line called Central." → "change here for the Central line."

LU/TfL have decided that the latter is correct, and thus signs showing just, e.g. "Central" or "Victoria" are displaying the full name of the line, not an abbreviation of it.

[Jerome H]

The irony there being this thread is in a folder called "Jubille Line"

[whistlekiller2000]

Jun 19, 2016 4:08:53 GMT Jerome H said:

The irony there being this thread is in a folder called "Jubille Line"

How do you mean?

[t697]

Sorry for that Line of distraction.
Now, we've heard this new CIS tweak doesn't seem to cope with stations where the platform is on a different side for each direction of travel. No one seems to have an answer for terminal stations. Perhaps I'll have to ride to Stanmore or Stratford. Or is there a technical insider who can tell us how it's supposed to work?

[norbitonflyer]

Jun 19, 2016 6:55:26 GMT whistlekiller2000 said:

Jun 19, 2016 4:08:53 GMT Jerome H said:

The irony there being this thread is in a folder called "Jubille Line"

How do you mean?

The thread title has an upper case L.

If "line" is lower case it implies it is not part of the name (proper noun) but a common noun, and thus the preceding word is descriptive and should also not be capitalised (central line) . However, a line described by reference to a place - the Brighton line, the Wimbledon line, or the Victoria line, would be correct - but ambiguous, as more than one line goes to Victoria.

Compare "underground railway" ( a term which includes, for example, parts of Thameslink and the East Coast Main Line) and the Underground (which includes e.g. the Dollis Brook viaduct


Some SWT guards announce the platform side as trains approach Waterloo.

[whistlekiller2000]

Jun 19, 2016 8:16:59 GMT norbitonflyer said:

Jun 19, 2016 6:55:26 GMT whistlekiller2000 said:

How do you mean?

The thread title has an upper case L.

If "line" is lower case it implies it is not part of the name (proper noun) but a common noun, and thus the preceding word is descriptive and should also not be capitalised (central line) . However, a line described by reference to a place - the Brighton line, the Wimbledon line, or the Victoria line, would be correct - but ambiguous, as more than one line goes to Victoria.

Compare "underground railway" ( a term which includes, for example, parts of Thameslink and the East Coast Main Line) and the Underground (which includes e.g. the Dollis Brook viaduct


Some SWT guards announce the platform side as trains approach Waterloo.

I think I'll go back to bed.............

[Chris M]

Jun 19, 2016 8:16:59 GMT norbitonflyer said:

Jun 19, 2016 6:55:26 GMT whistlekiller2000 said:

How do you mean?

The thread title has an upper case L.

If "line" is lower case it implies it is not part of the name (proper noun) but a common noun, and thus the preceding word is descriptive and should also not be capitalised (central line) . However, a line described by reference to a place - the Brighton line, the Wimbledon line, or the Victoria line, would be correct - but ambiguous, as more than one line goes to Victoria.

Why does line being a common noun require the preceding word to be descriptive? TfL's standard refers to a line called "Central", "Jubilee" or in future "Elizabeth" - they are instances of a line (a common noun) that have a name (a proper noun). As for Brighton and Wimbledon, etc, lines, it's no different - they would be line's called "Brighton" or "Wimbledon" using the TfL naming method. However, as they are NR lines they are called "Brighton Line" or "Wimbledon Line" - i.e. the proper noun consists of multiple words. It's no more or less correct than TfL's usage, just different, and the same linguistic rules apply - "Brighton Line" is just as much a proper noun for an instance of a line as are "Watercress Line" and "Jubilee line". That multiple lines go to Brighton is irrelevant, there is only one "Brighton Line" just as there is only one "Victoria line" despite the station of that name being served by multiple lines.

Regarding the board title, that is the choice of the forum admins who are bound by TfL's style guide, and are perfectly at liberty to capitalise all words in a title (title case) if they choose to just as Wikipedia is free to use sentence case (initial word and proper nouns capitalised only) for the title of it's articles.

ps: this is getting very off-topic so a Mod may wish to move the English language discussion to a new thread.

[superteacher]

<<Chris M is correct - this is straying off topic, and in some cases has become a bit pedantic. Can we stick to discussing the Jubilee line DVA, thanks.>>

[Deleted]

<<Rincew1nd: Threads merged>>

Has anyone noticed the new DVA Announcements including when Celia announces what side the doors will open on?

Here is an example:

[linus]

Yes, noticed it yesterday; not sure when it started. More irritating verbal intrusion as far as I'm concerned. 99.9999999recurring% passengers know which side the doors will open and the remaining 0.0000000recurring1% can work it out within a few milliseconds of coming into a station. I wonder how many hapless people have been saved from trying desperately to get out of a closed door on the wrong side of the Victoria line since the 09 stock was introduced?

I think they're trying to fill the entire time with irrelevant drivel. My most hated is the driver who insists on playing "Please make sure you have all your belongings with you. Thank you for travelling on the Jubilee line" at every bloody station! What a prick! As if we have a choice and are travelling on it for fun!  We only need the SSL's "The next station is ..." for the full set.

Likewise "Use escalators carefully. Hold the handrail. Get off at the top. Don't forget to breathe in and out alternately." Dear nanny state, f**k off!

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2016 17:07:07 GMT linus said:

Yes, noticed it yesterday; not sure when it started. More irritating verbal intrusion as far as I'm concerned. 99.9999999recurring% passengers know which side the doors will open and the remaining 0.0000000recurring1% can work it out within a few milliseconds of coming into a station. I wonder how many hapless people have been saved from trying desperately to get out of a closed door on the wrong side of the Victoria line since the 09 stock was introduced?

I think they're trying to fill the entire time with irrelevant drivel. My most hated is the driver who insists on playing "Please make sure you have all your belongings with you. Thank you for travelling on the Jubilee line" at every bloody station! What a prick! As if we have a choice and are travelling on it for fun!  We only need the SSL's "The next station is ..." for the full set.

Likewise "Use escalators carefully. Hold the handrail. Get off at the top. Don't forget to breathe in and out alternately." Dear nanny state, f**k off!

Telling passengers which side the doors will open on is helpful for the visually impaired, and making their travel easier is a fine goal in itself, but it also helps out everybody else who happens to be travelling with them at the time.

Personally, as a child, small and easily missed, I always wished I knew what side of the train I would need to be on to alight, so that I didn't get left on the train, after failing to squeeze my way through the crowd from the wrong side of the train. Now I don't know how much of a difference these new announcements will really make in that regard, as it seems like they must come too late for you to get yourself into position while the train is stationary at the previous stop, meaning you'll often have to wait until the train comes to a stand at the station anyway, by which time you probably will know where you have to go, but anything that allows people to get off quicker, and therefore get on quicker, is valuable in this day and age.

Now I agree that many of the on- and off-train announcements are irritating noise pollution and may even be a negative, because you just tune them out, and then don't pay attention when some important announcement comes along. Remember, if everything is emphasised, nothing is emphasised.

However, people do get used to escalators and then start to take liberties with them, there are a lot of accidents there. And, in general, I would ask you to think about the tone of your posting. I swear like a drain in real life, I'm more than capable of working myself up into a lather over the trivial and the monumental. But not on here.