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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 24, 2017 15:59:06 GMT
How did those grab poles pass DDA requirements?
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Feb 24, 2017 16:06:45 GMT
How did those grab poles pass DDA requirements? I'd have thought the DDA requirements were changed (or evolved, take your pick), so this scheme became acceptable. |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 24, 2017 17:02:43 GMT
The DDA (Disability Discrimination Act) or more precisely Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations (RVAR) requires "contrasting" colours, so I presume there is sufficient contrast between the light grey poles and the dark seats/floors/bases to be acceptable. ~~~~
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Post by phoenixcronin on Feb 24, 2017 17:42:45 GMT
30pts of contrast is all that is required.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Feb 24, 2017 17:44:44 GMT
The refurbishment is looking very good. I didn't like just one thing, they could change all seats moquette not just in some places.   I expected and also I thought it will be looking more nice with a moquette like that:  I agree. I was very disappointed to see the old moquette still in place. The mix of old and new doesn't look very good. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 24, 2017 19:51:35 GMT
I agree. I was very disappointed to see the old moquette still in place. The mix of old and new doesn't look very good. Perhaps it's a trial to see how the new colours fair in service compared to the existing? |
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 24, 2017 21:37:07 GMT
Have they just replaced damaged or threadbare moquette? Seems from the pics, there's is one example of a back replaced & not the seat and one of the seat replaced but not the back. Could also be, as rincew1nd has said, a trial of the two bits running separately to the full jig further away. Have to be honest, it doesn't quite look right this way. A whole carriage in either new or old moquette would be acceptable, but anything else looks a bit charity-shop to me. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 24, 2017 22:44:37 GMT
Replacement of worn moquette only. The 'faded' moquette is exactly that.
I agree with the sentiments that it should all be done, but I'm pleased that we haven't got a variant like that applied to the Bakerloo.
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 24, 2017 23:10:42 GMT
Replacement of worn moquette only. The 'faded' moquette is exactly that. I agree with the sentiments that it should all be done, but I'm pleased that we haven't got a variant like that applied to the Bakerloo. Thanks-that clears it up. Still think it spoils the effect of the rest of the upgrade, but that's a personal opinion. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 24, 2017 23:43:09 GMT
Replacement of worn moquette only. The 'faded' moquette is exactly that. I agree with the sentiments that it should all be done, but I'm pleased that we haven't got a variant like that applied to the Bakerloo. Thanks-that clears it up. Still think it spoils the effect of the rest of the upgrade, but that's a personal opinion. I absolutely agree... especially with it only being one or two (none would be better!). At the same time... they have to fund the fare freeze somehow. 🙃 |
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Post by North End on Feb 24, 2017 23:51:32 GMT
Replacement of worn moquette only. The 'faded' moquette is exactly that. I agree with the sentiments that it should all be done, but I'm pleased that we haven't got a variant like that applied to the Bakerloo. Personal taste, but I would have preferred a variant. I think the blue clashes terribly with the grey. Actually the Bakerloo version would have worked, as there's grey in that if my memory has it right. |
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Post by DWS on Feb 25, 2017 11:17:29 GMT
I see there are warning signs for the door's teeth. Presumably to discourage people from trying to get on once the doors are closing. Yes the dragons teeth are to discourage people from trying to get on once the doors are closing. Also the removal of the outside door buttons are to discourage people to press them trying to get doors to reopen, and get too close to trains and getting injured by a train moving , this is an issue on stations without platform edge doors ( PED's ). |
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Post by DWS on Feb 25, 2017 11:25:51 GMT
Thanks-that clears it up. Still think it spoils the effect of the rest of the upgrade, but that's a personal opinion. I absolutely agree... especially with it only being one or two (none would be better!). At the same time... they have to fund the fare freeze somehow. 🙃 This a £27 million project , it will take two and half years to compete , only one 1996 stock can be worked on at one time due to the intensive use of the Jubliee line fleet. |
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Post by class411 on Feb 25, 2017 11:36:51 GMT
this is an issue on stations without platform edge doors ( PED's ). Which is, after all, most of them. |
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Post by DWS on Feb 25, 2017 11:39:22 GMT
Which is, after all, most of them. Yes most of the accident's happen at stations without the PED's. |
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Post by patrickb on Feb 25, 2017 14:58:34 GMT
Here's a video of the refurbished 96.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 16:52:05 GMT
I am surprised that they did not go the whole way and opt for hard seats, just like on the Hong Kong Metro since 1998. I have used the Hong Kong metro, and do not find the hard seats there to be any problem for me.
Using hard seats may be a good money saving idea for TFL to try out, they are almost there with the Central line seats, might as well go the whole way and use hard seats - last far longer - and of course wipe clean in nature.
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Post by londoner on Feb 25, 2017 20:09:30 GMT
I am surprised that they did not go the whole way and opt for hard seats, just like on the Hong Kong Metro since 1998. I have used the Hong Kong metro, and do not find the hard seats there to be any problem for me. Using hard seats may be a good money saving idea for TFL to try out, they are almost there with the Central line seats, might as well go the whole way and use hard seats - last far longer - and of course wipe clean in nature. There are some things worth paying a little extra for and moquette seats are definitely one of them. I'm sure savings can be found elsewhere in TFL, maybe having a look around management. |
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Post by Antje on Feb 25, 2017 21:00:52 GMT
I must advise that too much grey will make the interior grim.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 9:57:53 GMT
I quite like the look of the blue seating against the new colours.
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Post by metman on Feb 27, 2017 6:50:33 GMT
I think the interior looks smart. The original scheme was a bit funky for me.
The grab rails are a bit of a throw back to the proposed refurb of the 1983 stock.
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Post by malcolmffc on Feb 27, 2017 6:56:09 GMT
Surprised and disappointed they haven't made any changes to the DVA.
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Post by d78forlife on Feb 27, 2017 23:10:32 GMT
I like that a lot, and prefer it to the current interior.
Annoyed that they haven't updated the DVA, there are things on there that bug the heck out of me, such as the way London Overground is said at Canada Water
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 23:23:51 GMT
I like that a lot, and prefer it to the current interior. Annoyed that they haven't updated the DVA, there are things on there that bug the heck out of me, such as the way London Overground is said at Canada Water Agreed. It is still buggy in many places: Stratford, North Greenwich, West Hampstead, Wembley Park (to name a few). S7 & S8 DVAs are better IMHO. |
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Post by Alight on Feb 27, 2017 23:36:09 GMT
The grab rails are a bit of a throw back to the proposed refurb of the 1983 stock. Quite. They clearly seem to be going back to 'line identity', otherwise the grab bars/poles would be blue á la the 95ts. Then again, the 95ts refresh included the covering up of the superfluous door buttons... clearly money has been a bit tight in this instance, as I see very little difference besides the colour of the poles/bars and maybe the flooring, although that isn't particularly noticeable upon a cursory glance. I kind of agree about the comments RE: DVA. I actually do not mind Celia and the original female voice (the male announcements having been complete overwritten with the former now) but it is the awkward pause between station and destination names that annoys me. "This stations is.............. Canary Wharf. Change here for the DLR." "This train terminates at............. Stratford" |
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 27, 2017 23:45:40 GMT
S7 & S8 DVAs are better IMHO. Considering that the S stock CIS (Customer Information System) dates from the late 2000s and the '96 stock DVA (Digital Voice Announcer) dates from the early 1990s, I'm not sure why this is any surprise... |
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 28, 2017 8:16:30 GMT
Once again the refurbished set is parked up in Stratford Market... some kind of issues, perhaps?
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Post by gw43125 on Feb 28, 2017 9:44:59 GMT
I like that a lot, and prefer it to the current interior. Annoyed that they haven't updated the DVA, there are things on there that bug the heck out of me, such as the way London Overground is said at Canada Water I find that she says "Willesden Green" very slowly and oddly too. "Terminating at....Wiiillllesdenn Greeeennn" |
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Post by wimblephil on Feb 28, 2017 18:45:30 GMT
I like that a lot, and prefer it to the current interior. Annoyed that they haven't updated the DVA, there are things on there that bug the heck out of me, such as the way London Overground is said at Canada Water I find that she says "Willesden Green" very slowly and oddly too. "Terminating at....Wiiillllesdenn Greeeennn" Me too. Though it does amuse many a tourist! |
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Post by i3lu on Mar 1, 2017 14:00:41 GMT
I like that a lot, and prefer it to the current interior. Annoyed that they haven't updated the DVA, there are things on there that bug the heck out of me, such as the way London Overground is said at Canada Water I find that she says "Willesden Green" very slowly and oddly too. "Terminating at....Wiiillllesdenn Greeeennn" Probably you never heard that  www.haltestellenansage.de/ansagen/u/london/jubilee/toneasdon.mp3 |
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