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Post by snoggle on Mar 11, 2018 14:38:14 GMT
I certainly expect there will be problems with the 710s once Arriva get enough of them to try bringing them into service. Similar issues over depot space and the need to release old trains are going to crop up on the GOBLIN and West Anglia routes. I suspect Arriva and TfL will hold off for as long as possible before putting any on the NLL (even recognising it's a later order) because the impact of rolling stock failures there will be far more damaging. Hopefully later deliveries will have been "de-bugged" as much as possible. I expect that resolving at least some of the issues with 345s will mean those issues don't occur on the 710s as they are based on the same platform. Sure. However if the physical design of the train is deficient that may mean 710s already built being held back for rectification work or having to go back at a later date. That will have consequences for train availability on some routes or will delay the roll out of 710s and cascading of 378s to other Overground services. I've yet to see anything anywhere that sets out how many 345s and 710s are built. I also understand the trains for Greater Anglia are also now in build. There can only be so much space at Derby to store complete but undelivered trains. I understand something like 4 or 5 class 345s are at Old Dalby for testing purposes hence why a 710 has had to go to France for testing. |
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 11, 2018 16:23:09 GMT
I expect that resolving at least some of the issues with 345s will mean those issues don't occur on the 710s as they are based on the same platform. Sure. However if the physical design of the train is deficient that may mean 710s already built being held back for rectification work or having to go back at a later date. That will have consequences for train availability on some routes or will delay the roll out of 710s and cascading of 378s to other Overground services. I've yet to see anything anywhere that sets out how many 345s and 710s are built. I also understand the trains for Greater Anglia are also now in build. There can only be so much space at Derby to store complete but undelivered trains. I understand something like 4 or 5 class 345s are at Old Dalby for testing purposes hence why a 710 has had to go to France for testing. I saw 345 022 behind a loco near Old Oak Common on Friday. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 17:20:56 GMT
I’ve just been assisted on a 345 and the staff member overrode the auto close by holding the door open, anyone know if it can be un-overridden by a passenger? Or can it only be done by the driver when he shuts the doors
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 21, 2018 19:45:37 GMT
So far (as of 21/03/18) at OOC (Old Oak Common) 345020,23,24&29 (9 Car) 345003 (7 Car) 345029 was photographed (following a frantic search for my phone) passing Royal Oak the other day.  |
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Post by waysider on Apr 7, 2018 8:57:20 GMT
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Post by toby on Apr 7, 2018 9:09:23 GMT
Yes. It means they can close and work on one line without requiring a possession on the other line. I hope we'll see it elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 16:20:28 GMT
I’ve just been assisted on a 345 and the staff member overrode the auto close by holding the door open, anyone know if it can be un-overridden by a passenger? Or can it only be done by the driver when he shuts the doors The latter AFAIK but why would you wanna do that exactly? |
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Post by silenthunter on Apr 7, 2018 17:50:04 GMT
I saw one at Custom House with a destination indicator of Reading. Also, not that I don't love it, but who decided to put the train headcode on the carriage side displays? |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 7, 2018 18:59:52 GMT
I saw one at Custom House with a destination indicator of Reading. Also, not that I don't love it, but who decided to put the train headcode on the carriage side displays? Presumably in the same way that the train number appears on S stock displays near the cabs when awaiting entry to service. It helps the driver identify their train. |
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Post by sunnyday on Apr 7, 2018 19:38:34 GMT
I saw one at Custom House with a destination indicator of Reading. Also, not that I don't love it, but who decided to put the train headcode on the carriage side displays? Presumably in the same way that the train number appears on S stock displays near the cabs when awaiting entry to service. It helps the driver identify their train. Once working, the driver inputs the head code into the interface screen and this sets up the GSM-R radio and PIS system. The head code wouldn't be displayed before the desk is opened up. In theory the location of the train is on the diagram sheet - but typically you ask the yard controller / person in charge where your train is. |
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Post by silenthunter on Apr 7, 2018 20:09:34 GMT
This isn't something that usually gets displayed to the traveling public in this country, outside of Virgin Trains.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 7, 2018 23:59:58 GMT
The headcode, as its name implies, used to be displayed on the front of every train. Older locos used discs but from about 1960 they were fitted with blinds. The Southern used stencilled codes all the way back to 1916.
Some real time apps display the codes too.
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Post by superteacher on Apr 12, 2018 7:29:26 GMT
Are things finally settling down? Haven’t heard many reports of defective trains recently.
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Post by Chris W on Apr 12, 2018 7:38:08 GMT
There are definitely more cl345s around, to the extent that services could reach tipping point when there are more new trains than cl315s !!
In the past week I've seen units 003 & 022 in service, so more are appearing...
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Post by superteacher on Apr 12, 2018 7:42:58 GMT
I don’t think there will be any more entering service for the time being as all new deliveries will be 9 cars in order to get enough trains ready for the first phase opening in December.
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Post by 315 on Apr 12, 2018 18:38:30 GMT
As of this week, 11 345's are diagrammed to run during weekdays.
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Post by silenthunter on Apr 12, 2018 18:46:50 GMT
I don’t think there will be any more entering service for the time being as all new deliveries will be 9 cars in order to get enough trains ready for the first phase opening in December. Or for Heathrow Connect services. |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 12, 2018 18:57:47 GMT
I don’t think there will be any more entering service for the time being as all new deliveries will be 9 cars in order to get enough trains ready for the first phase opening in December. Or for Heathrow Connect services. Some 7 car trains will be taking over the Paddington-Hayes & Harlington service from May. |
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Post by silenthunter on Apr 13, 2018 18:01:27 GMT
But there are 9-car trains at Old Oak Common now.
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Post by superteacher on Apr 13, 2018 18:56:54 GMT
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 13, 2018 19:03:27 GMT
But there are 9-car trains at Old Oak Common now. But good old Network Rail haven't finished the platform extension at Hayes & Harlington to take 9 cars. This is one of the factors in not being able to test the trains into Heathrow. If there's a problem a nine car train can't be accommodated in the bay platform. This also means that the GWR services being taken over will have to be 7 cars. (Still a lot better than the old 3 or 4 car units I used to travel on.) |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 13, 2018 19:05:58 GMT
But there are 9-car trains at Old Oak Common now. But good old Network Rail haven't finished the platform extension at Hayes & Harlington to take 9 cars. This is one of the factors in not being able to test the trains into Heathrow. If there's a problem a nine car train can't be accommodated in the bay platform. This also means that the GWR services being taken over will have to be 7 cars. (Still a lot better than the old 3 or 4 car units I used to travel on.) They have had years to prepare for this. It’s a poor show that the 9 car platform extensions won’t be ready. |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 13, 2018 20:52:20 GMT
But good old Network Rail haven't finished the platform extension at Hayes & Harlington to take 9 cars. This is one of the factors in not being able to test the trains into Heathrow. If there's a problem a nine car train can't be accommodated in the bay platform. This also means that the GWR services being taken over will have to be 7 cars. (Still a lot better than the old 3 or 4 car units I used to travel on.) They have had years to prepare for this. It’s a poor show that the 9 car platform extensions won’t be ready. Last time I was at H&H it looked like it might be just as simple as moving a recently installed LED signal closer to Paddington. |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 13, 2018 21:01:42 GMT
They have had years to prepare for this. It’s a poor show that the 9 car platform extensions won’t be ready. Last time I was at H&H it looked like it might be just as simple as moving a recently installed LED signal closer to Paddington. Probably need an act of parliament to move it!  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 14, 2018 6:15:01 GMT
I'll have you know that's a heritage signal, as such a full public consultation is required before any work can be done to it. Just like Euston disused  |
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Post by A60stock on Apr 14, 2018 13:12:41 GMT
If its a new LED signal, how can it already have heritage status?!
Or am i thinking of a different signal?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 14:06:09 GMT
If its a new LED signal, how can it already have heritage status?! Or am i thinking of a different signal? I think you're thinking of a sarcastic comment as a serious one  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 14, 2018 14:20:06 GMT
If its a new LED signal, how can it already have heritage status?! Or am i thinking of a different signal? Being the first of its type, a type which has already been superseded it was designated as having equal significance to other railway equipments from former eras. Or, what tut said, you decide. |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 14, 2018 14:23:57 GMT
If its a new LED signal, how can it already have heritage status?! Or am i thinking of a different signal? I think you're thinking of a sarcastic comment as a serious one Sarcasm from a staff member. Never . . . No idea where tut gets these ideas . . . |
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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 16, 2018 17:39:34 GMT
The next major window for works at H&H would be the May Bank Holiday Blockade with no Heathrow Con/Exp services and all GWR services cut short at Maidenhead or on diversion to Marylebone. The last five services on Saturday night/Sunday morning have been cancelled for almost every week up until the handover date. Another superb London Reconnections article on the adversities being faced west of Paddington by London Reconnections. By a rotten bit of luck, it mentions that the original contractor for the bay platform extension was none other than Carillion. And finally 345032 has been spotted by rincew1nd in the wilderness (not really, just Crewe). |
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