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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 22, 2018 12:13:56 GMT
Whatever signage you provide it will not be obvious enough for some passengers. Five passengers in 30mins stood waiting expectantly for the doors to open once we'd pulled into the stations. Click here if embedded tweet fails to display. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 22, 2018 12:37:42 GMT
I know the plan is that there will still be peak-hour workings into Liverpool Street NR, but I can't remember if the same is true about Paddington. I doubt it, as there will be services terminating from the other direction "downstairs". |
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Post by dmncf on Jul 22, 2018 20:16:52 GMT
Belated thanks for the explanations on the door stickers. I presume the curved platforms at Paddington will not be used once the service begins running through the tunnels. Presumably the platforms in the main station will still be used if there are problems in the tunnels. Whatever signage you provide it will not be obvious enough for some passengers. For a huge section of society it doesn't seem to be intuitive to see a red X as a sign of closure. Just watch people trying to get through the wrong gates at any station or driving in a closed lane on a motorway. I've boarded a Class 345 at Paddington and it did strike me that doors were clearly illuminated on the outside as not in use, but weren't so well indicated on the inside. On the inside, the only indication I could see was that the door open light was not illuminated. The 'door not in use' red light only illuminates when you're pressing the door open button. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 28, 2018 11:08:10 GMT
Are the 9-car 345s in passenger service yet on the Heathrow services?
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Post by superteacher on Jul 28, 2018 11:52:02 GMT
Are the 9-car 345s in passenger service yet on the Heathrow services? They weren’t on Thursday when I was down that way. |
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Post by Ben on Jul 28, 2018 12:23:02 GMT
I know the plan is that there will still be peak-hour workings into Liverpool Street NR, but I can't remember if the same is true about Paddington. I doubt it, as there will be services terminating from the other direction "downstairs". Its probably worth noting again that there is still something of an unbalance between the number of services needed from the east and the number of services needed going to the west. Shenfield could probably fill out an entire central London corridor by itself especially at peak times; when you add in Abbey Wood (even more so if it goes further east) there isn't enough capacity through the central section (as I understand it) for everything. Compared to the west which for the foreseeable future has far more sedate requirements. I think snoggle or possibly @100and30 related on London Reconnections how there was a plan long ago for some eastbound-westbound NR terminators at Slough, but that through running to Reading negated the need for these. One wonders how frequently the Paddington terminators will in future be used as a starting point for crayoning. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 28, 2018 12:27:24 GMT
Crayoning?
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Post by alicarr on Jul 28, 2018 13:20:06 GMT
I think (correct me if I'm wrong!) this term refers to the practice of proposing a new line / route, but carries the connotation that the proposal is naive or ill-thought-out. It's as if you just drew a line in crayon across the Tube map, without seriously considering the benefits and costs (theoretical and practical). See this article from LR. |
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Post by superteacher on Jul 28, 2018 13:30:05 GMT
I think (correct me if I'm wrong!) this term refers to the practice of proposing a new line / route, but carries the connotation that the proposal is naive or ill-thought-out. It's as if you just drew a line in crayon across the Tube map, without seriously considering the benefits and costs (theoretical and practical). See this article from LR. Correct. And as this thread is about class 345 trains, the crayons need to stay firmly in their box. 
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 3, 2018 15:17:18 GMT
At least a dozen 345's parked up at OOC today, was going to take a photo but got distracted when I realized that sitting in a car under the raised pantograph gives that same hum that was ubiquitous with BR era EMU's. 9 car markers have been have been unmasked at all stations where platform extension works are complete. Had some time before my GWR train so had a look around at the state of Hayes & Harlington. The bay is in my opinion is not quite long enough to theoretically berth a 9 car 345, but since there is no evidence of the stop marker moving, it seems they are waiting for the buffers to be set back further along the rails which I don't think were there pre-easter works as there is evidence of fresh flash butt welding. I don't know whether there are specific tolerances for dead ended platforms and weather that may also be a factor. The rails stop just shy of the path leading to the temporary side entrance, perhaps another preventative factor for moving those buffers back. Nine car stop marker on platform 4, anyone else thinks it bears resemblance to an LU count out board?  Taken standing parallel to the buffers at the end of bay platform 5.  Not quite as spacious up front.  Btw, for the next seven weeks TFL Rail's weekend service will be provided solely by class 360's with Acton Mainline losing it's weekend service altogether as a consequence. I would wager to suggest that perhaps "end state" software testing is now being ramped up? |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 6, 2018 20:43:20 GMT
Was it a 345 which broke down leaving Ilford depot earlier, blocking both lines and shutting the job down?
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Post by silenthunter on Aug 6, 2018 20:50:25 GMT
Was it a 345 which broke down leaving Ilford depot earlier, blocking both lines and shutting the job down? Yes, it was a 345. TfL Rail got forced onto the Main lines after Stratford, not coming back onto the Electrics until just before Romford. |
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Post by Chris W on Aug 6, 2018 21:12:18 GMT
There were numerous posts on Twitter earlier as I got stuck at Forest Gate* for an hour.... the driver reported that the train immediately in front had a pantograph/power issue, before we were all informed that the srevice wasn't proceeding (17:32-18:34 when I managed to find a space on a following service that stopped on platform 1). Meanwhile the Twitter TfL rail account claimed that the failed train wasn't a TfL Rail unit....
* Whilst at Forest Gate, the same Twitter account was suggesting we return to Stratford, just as lots of Liv St. services were being cancelled or running through platform 2 without stopping.... then it was get this/that bus route all the way home.
Errrmmm not happening, as I want to get home before midnight on Friday week !!
A one hour journey took me 3 hours... and even then, TfL Rail failed to get me home, with myself and others being informed at Gidea Park that our next Shenfield service was at Forest Gate a little after we arrived at 19:05... the misses and children had to drive to me....
I see a claim coming on from lots of passengers....
The BIG picture is that we all got home safely and that there haven't been that many issues recently....
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Post by Deep Level on Aug 7, 2018 6:51:15 GMT
There were numerous posts on Twitter earlier as I got stuck at Forest Gate* for an hour.... the driver reported that the train immediately in front had a pantograph/power issue, before we were all informed that the srevice wasn't proceeding (17:32-18:34 when I managed to find a space on a following service that stopped on platform 1). Meanwhile the Twitter TfL rail account claimed that the failed train wasn't a TfL Rail unit....
* Whilst at Forest Gate, the same Twitter account was suggesting we return to Stratford, just as lots of Liv St. services were being cancelled or running through platform 2 without stopping.... then it was get this/that bus route all the way home. Errrmmm not happening, as I want to get home before midnight on Friday week !!
A one hour journey took me 3 hours... and even then, TfL Rail failed to get me home, with myself and others being informed at Gidea Park that our next Shenfield service was at Forest Gate a little after we arrived at 19:05... the misses and children had to drive to me....
I see a claim coming on from lots of passengers.... The BIG picture is that we all got home safely and that there haven't been that many issues recently....
I believe from looking at the live trains map that I was on the first TfL Rail train to use platform 1 at Maryland, Forest Gate and Manor Park yesterday evening, I saw a train in platform 3 at all of the above (which I assume was yours at Forest Gate) and it was clear that the passengers on that trains weren't getting much info, many of which attempted a run across the narrow temporary footbridge at Forest Gate however they all just got bottlenecked on the way up. The worst part was that once again the air conditioning was not on (at least in my carriage) meaning another ridiculously hot journey home on what ended being about a 45 minute journey instead of the usual 15. Does the train operator control air con or is it automatic on these? Also am I the only person who thinks that even when it is on the system doesn't remove heat very effectively, you can feel the cold air coming out yet somehow the train still feels rather hot when busy. |
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Post by sunnyday on Aug 7, 2018 7:46:01 GMT
Was it a 345 which broke down leaving Ilford depot earlier, blocking both lines and shutting the job down? No. It was a Greater Anglia class 360 which caused all the drama yesterday. |
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Post by Chris W on Aug 7, 2018 14:08:40 GMT
A one hour journey took me 3 hours... and even then, TfL Rail failed to get me home, with myself and others being informed at Gidea Park that our next Shenfield service was at Forest Gate a little after we arrived at 19:05... the misses and children had to drive to me.... I now discover that I have been changed £8 and £5.50 for incomplete journeys    All I did was touch in at 17:06 (Liverpool Street) and touch out at Gidea Park (19:16) I though there was a 2 1/2 hour journey limitation time on the network !!?? |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 7, 2018 14:16:53 GMT
A one hour journey took me 3 hours... and even then, TfL Rail failed to get me home, with myself and others being informed at Gidea Park that our next Shenfield service was at Forest Gate a little after we arrived at 19:05... the misses and children had to drive to me.... I now discover that I have been changed £8 and £5.50 for incomplete journeys All I did was touch in at 17:06 (Liverpool Street) and touch out at Gidea Park (19:16) I though there was a 2 1/2 hour journey limitation time on the network !!?? According to this you had 2 hours for your zone 1-6 journey: tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/oyster/using-oyster/maximum-journey-times |
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Post by Chris W on Aug 7, 2018 19:29:55 GMT
I now discover that I have been changed £8 and £5.50 for incomplete journeys All I did was touch in at 17:06 (Liverpool Street) and touch out at Gidea Park (19:16) I though there was a 2 1/2 hour journey limitation time on the network !!?? According to this you had 2 hours for your zone 1-6 journey: tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/oyster/using-oyster/maximum-journey-timesI was sure there had been a discussion on the forum where TfL had extended the travel time to 2 1/2 hours (150 minutes)... perhaps I dreamt it   |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 7, 2018 20:26:33 GMT
There was originally a flat 2-hour window for every journey, but a few years ago this was changed to the present system where the maximum journey time varies depending on the zones, day and time of the journey. You therefore have longer than 2 hours in some cases and shorter in others.
Your best bet is to speak to the helpline and explain what happened and they'll issue a refund you can collect from the following day by making any journey. I had to do this the other day when my Canary Wharf JLE-Northwick Park and Kenton-Canary Wharf JLE-Canary Wharf DLR-Mudchute journeys were misinterpreted as Canary Wharf JLE-Northwick Park-Kenton-Canary Wharf JLE-Canary Wharf DLR-Incomplete and Incomplete-Mudchute. They just asked me how much I'd overpaid, verified that, then issued the refund. I didn't even have to nominate a station like I've always previously had to do.
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Post by londoner on Aug 7, 2018 22:37:53 GMT
There was originally a flat 2-hour window for every journey, but a few years ago this was changed to the present system where the maximum journey time varies depending on the zones, day and time of the journey. You therefore have longer than 2 hours in some cases and shorter in others. Your best bet is to speak to the helpline and explain what happened and they'll issue a refund you can collect from the following day by making any journey. I had to do this the other day when my Canary Wharf JLE-Northwick Park and Kenton-Canary Wharf JLE-Canary Wharf DLR-Mudchute journeys were misinterpreted as Canary Wharf JLE-Northwick Park-Kenton-Canary Wharf JLE-Canary Wharf DLR- Incomplete and Incomplete-Mudchute. They just asked me how much I'd overpaid, verified that, then issued the refund. I didn't even have to nominate a station like I've always previously had to do. I can understand why you wouldn't want to spend a great deal of time in Kenton, to the extent the system thinks it is one journey!  |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 8, 2018 0:42:00 GMT
The entire purpose of the trip was to take the single photograph below at South Kenton for the quiz (I had photos of platform 1 from platform 2 at all the other stations that were part of the link, but not from South Kenton). I originally planned to take the Bakerloo both ways, but was so absorbed in my book that I missed Baker Street and St. John's Wood so I changed at Finchley Road instead!  (click for a larger version) |
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Post by silenthunter on Aug 8, 2018 19:46:05 GMT
9-car 345 027 spotted running through Stratford tonight on test.
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Post by Chris W on Aug 8, 2018 20:29:40 GMT
9-car 345 027 spotted running through Stratford tonight on test. ... and on the side, the roundel states...
Elizabeth Line
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 1:17:15 GMT
I personally have not seen ANY 345 sets working out of Paddington with the full 9 car compliment ...only the early examples of the 7 car sets between padd and Harlington. Is this likely to change? Also is there a proposed date for the 717xxx Moorgate service introduction anyone? thanks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 1:35:09 GMT
It had occurred to me that there MIGHT be a recognised location where either the Elizabeth line, (or the Moorgate 717xx desiro services) will actually run parallel with LUL tracks at some point? other than at Moorgate or Farringdon (700xxx) of course....mmm
any suggestions appreciated thanks
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 11, 2018 8:16:34 GMT
It had occurred to me that there MIGHT be a recognised location where either the Elizabeth line, (or the Moorgate 717xx desiro services) will actually run parallel with LUL tracks at some point? other than at Moorgate or Farringdon (700xxx) of course....mmm any suggestions appreciated thanks Presently TFL Rail 345's heading in/out of Paddington rub shoulders with the H&C and Circle till Royal Oak. However, this will cease to be in Dec 2019 when services out West are integrated fully with all other services and run through the core via portals that dive under before Royal Oak (LU). TFL Rail & Elizabeth line 345's do sort of run adjacent to the Central line at Stratford albeit briefly. There's also a brief run in with the Central line out west just before the approach to Ealing Broadway and the bridge carrying the DIstrict and Piccadilly lines at Hanger Lane Junction. You mentioned Moorgate for the 717's for which Moorgate to Old Street parallels the route of the Northern line but I don't think have track formations on the same levels as their respective platforms are at differing heights. The Northern City Line (NCL) does have parallel track formation at Finsbury Park for cross platform interchange with the Victoria line. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 11, 2018 8:47:41 GMT
There are two places where Crossrail and the Central Line run parallel - at Ealing Broadway and Stratford. At Ealing it also runs parallel with the District.
The only place 717s will run parallel with LUL at the same level is at Highbury & Islington (not Finsbury Park - it's the Vic and Picc which are at the same level there)
Between Royal Oak and Westbourne Park, Crossrail and the H&C are briefly at the same level as the former rises from the tunnel portal as the latter descends to the subway carrying it under the GWML.
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 11, 2018 11:14:44 GMT
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Can we stick to the thread topic please and not get distracted by other stock on other railways.
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Post by A60stock on Aug 11, 2018 11:40:29 GMT
does anyone have a date (roughly) as for when the last 315 will run on tfl rail?
Cant remember if this has been mentioned before but will these receive Elizabeth Line branding/interiors?
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Post by silenthunter on Aug 11, 2018 11:41:09 GMT
Not me. I'd be interested in a farewell railtour though.
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