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Post by crusty54 on Jan 4, 2019 18:58:28 GMT
Dynamic testing is planned to start in about 10 days.
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Post by Chris L on Jan 12, 2019 10:19:51 GMT
Only saw 345s on the Liverpool Street/Shenfield services today.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 15, 2019 12:27:58 GMT
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Post by Deep Level on Feb 20, 2019 22:51:09 GMT
I was quite surprised to see that my train home today (Liv St to Ilford) had it's WiFi on (TfL_WiFi), I didn't realise this had been turned on yet.
I also noticed that this train announced "change here for London Overground services" at Manor Park and this was also displayed on the in train displays which is a new announcement, I get the train to and from work everyday and it's the first I've heard it. I'm aware they usually announce "Exit here for London Overground services" at Manor Park on weekends.
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Post by londoner on Feb 20, 2019 23:17:36 GMT
What is meant by the term "dynamic"?
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 20, 2019 23:28:36 GMT
Dynamic testing to me is on the move testing. So in this case actually running a train through the tunnels at reasonable speeds (though perhaps low to start), opposed to static testic.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 21, 2019 12:16:43 GMT
Dynamic testing to me is on the move testing. So in this case actually running a train through the tunnels at reasonable speeds (though perhaps low to start), opposed to static testic. And then having more than one train operational to start to simulate what the real service will be like. The trains, power, track and signalling / control plus PED systems all need to be "stressed" in increasingly tougher tests to make sure they work as expected and to find whatever glitches there may be. I'm not yet clear whether a 345 has actually run under automatic control in the tunnels yet. The scenes in the BBC telly show that's just finished its short run seemed to show the test trains under driver control in the tunnels. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 12:58:31 GMT
I was quite surprised to see that my train home today (Liv St to Ilford) had it's WiFi on (TfL_WiFi), I didn't realise this had been turned on yet. I also noticed that this train announced "change here for London Overground services" at Manor Park and this was also displayed on the in train displays which is a new announcement, I get the train to and from work everyday and it's the first I've heard it. I'm aware they usually announce "Exit here for London Overground services" at Manor Park on weekends. Yet again, more inconsistency with something that's supposed to be 'simple'. One says "London Overground", while the other says "London Overground services". Really needs sorting out. Who the heck is responsible for these things? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 21, 2019 13:25:27 GMT
snoggle , The video linked to above in this thread posted on Twitter by Crossrail was a train in the core between Farringdon and Liverpool Street in ATO. Linked below:
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Post by rapidtransitman on Feb 21, 2019 14:53:41 GMT
Yet again, more inconsistency with something that's supposed to be 'simple'. One says "London Overground", while the other says "London Overground services". Really needs sorting out. Who the heck is responsible for these things? Hardly going to be noticed or send people to the wrong line. |
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Post by Deep Level on Feb 21, 2019 17:05:32 GMT
I was quite surprised to see that my train home today (Liv St to Ilford) had it's WiFi on (TfL_WiFi), I didn't realise this had been turned on yet. I also noticed that this train announced "change here for London Overground services" at Manor Park and this was also displayed on the in train displays which is a new announcement, I get the train to and from work everyday and it's the first I've heard it. I'm aware they usually announce "Exit here for London Overground services" at Manor Park on weekends. Yet again, more inconsistency with something that's supposed to be 'simple'. One says "London Overground", while the other says "London Overground services". Really needs sorting out. Who the heck is responsible for these things? I went off memory on that one, I could be totally off so please don't quote me on the specific wording. It was more about the fact that the announcement was added  . |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Feb 21, 2019 17:06:49 GMT
Yet again, more inconsistency with something that's supposed to be 'simple'. One says "London Overground", while the other says "London Overground services". Really needs sorting out. Who the heck is responsible for these things? Hardly going to be noticed or send people to the wrong line. I'd tend to agree. It's of little importance as it won't affect customers at all IMHO. |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 21, 2019 17:17:40 GMT
And both are better than the Jubilee line at Canada Water which as advised passenger to change for London Overgroun for at least a decade.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 21, 2019 17:26:57 GMT
snoggle , The video linked to above in this thread posted on Twitter by Crossrail was a train in the core between Farringdon and Liverpool Street in ATO. Doh! Je suis thick!   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 11:33:41 GMT
And both are better than the Jubilee line at Canada Water which as advised passenger to change for London Overgrou n for at least a decade. So do the Bakerloo, Central and Victoria lines. |
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Post by 2pintz on Feb 22, 2019 14:03:52 GMT
Just noticed this in the latest update to the London Assembly - content.tfl.gov.uk/february-2019.pdf
"Testing of the new rolling stock was undertaken in the Heathrow tunnels using European Train Control System (ECTS) during two weekends in January 2019. This was helpful in making progress towards Stage 2 Phase 2 where the 4tph service between Heathrow and Paddington will be provided by the Class 345 rolling stock."
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Post by superteacher on Feb 23, 2019 10:21:34 GMT
Just noticed this in the latest update to the London Assembly - content.tfl.gov.uk/february-2019.pdf
"Testing of the new rolling stock was undertaken in the Heathrow tunnels using European Train Control System (ECTS) during two weekends in January 2019. This was helpful in making progress towards Stage 2 Phase 2 where the 4tph service between Heathrow and Paddington will be provided by the Class 345 rolling stock."
Seems they are getting closer to getting the system working. You've answered the question I was about to ask! Good that progress seems to be being made. When completed, that will enable the 7 car 345's to return to the Shenfield line. |
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Post by stapler on Feb 23, 2019 16:52:04 GMT
Today there was a blockade on the GEML and TFL Rail; so GA platforms at Stratford were taped off.
At 1340 behind the tape in Platform 8 was 345.032 with a destination indication of "Paddington" surrounded by orange-vested personnel. Couldn't see if it was 7 or 9 cars.
Was this testing of the junction towards Whitechapel?
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 23, 2019 17:22:55 GMT
Today there was a blockade on the GEML and TFL Rail; so GA platforms at Stratford were taped off. At 1340 behind the tape in Platform 8 was 345.032 with a destination indication of "Paddington" surrounded by orange-vested personnel. Couldn't see if it was 7 or 9 cars. Was this testing of the junction towards Whitechapel? Don't know specifically whether it was Whitechapel but units were certainly on test in the core today with 345020 which was similarly kitted up and sent from Old Oak Common seen here at one of the reversing sidings from the train I was on this afternoon.  |
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Post by Chris M on May 17, 2019 0:52:49 GMT
Looking at the planned works for this weekend, I see the following entry with a lot more detail than usual:
Is this the first instance of this testing or have I just not spotted mention of it previously?
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Post by Chris L on May 17, 2019 3:51:26 GMT
Looking at the planned works for this weekend, I see the following entry with a lot more detail than usual: Is this the first instance of this testing or have I just not spotted mention of it previously? Trains have run in and out of the tunnels during weekend possessions before. They have also completed the automatic transition between systems. This Sunday is something different as there are trains are running between Liverpool Street and Shenfield. The only thing not clarified is whether they are running on the same lines. Trains are being tested in the tunnels most weeks. |
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Post by silenthunter on May 17, 2019 5:28:43 GMT
Quite possibly not. The access to the core is from the 'Electric' lines, which are on the south side once you pass Ilford. It is entirely possible to run the current service on the 'Main' Lines, but the platforms at those stations aren't really suited for passenger operations, I believe.
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Post by Chris L on May 17, 2019 6:26:54 GMT
Quite possibly not. The access to the core is from the 'Electric' lines, which are on the south side once you pass Ilford. It is entirely possible to run the current service on the 'Main' Lines, but the platforms at those stations aren't really suited for passenger operations, I believe. The platforms you mention are used early morning and late night and have been extended and had lifts installed. I believe the transition testing will be under possession and the Shenfield service will be on the main. However, at some point they will have to test transitioning with other trains continuing to/from Liverpool Street on the Electric lines. |
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Post by stapler on May 17, 2019 7:20:01 GMT
There was a 345 in the "Shenfield stub" about 0815 on Tuesday with the DMI reading "Heathrow T4"
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Post by ted672 on May 17, 2019 13:57:57 GMT
There was a 345 in the "Shenfield stub" about 0815 on Tuesday with the DMI reading "Heathrow T4" By coincidence I was at Chadwell Heath about 09:20 this morning and an announcement was broadcast advising passengers customers travelling towards Reading to ensure they had the correct pass/ticket/authority to travel beyond West Drayton. Perhaps the core will open in secret soon?  |
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Post by bassmike on May 17, 2019 18:21:50 GMT
Quite possibly not. The access to the core is from the 'Electric' lines, which are on the south side once you pass Ilford. It is entirely possible to run the current service on the 'Main' Lines, but the platforms at those stations aren't really suited for passenger operations, I believe. Sureley the electric lines are on the North side beyond Ilford? |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on May 17, 2019 19:02:35 GMT
Quite possibly not. The access to the core is from the 'Electric' lines, which are on the south side once you pass Ilford. It is entirely possible to run the current service on the 'Main' Lines, but the platforms at those stations aren't really suited for passenger operations, I believe. Sureley the electric lines are on the North side beyond Ilford? They're on the south side once you pass Ilford going west towards the core.....And don't call me Shirley. 😉 |
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Post by bassmike on May 17, 2019 19:20:39 GMT
Sureley the electric lines are on the North side beyond Ilford? They're on the south side once you pass Ilford going west towards the core.....And don't call me Shirley. 😉 Got the impression that it's going east from the gist of the posts but then I'm in a surly mood today  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 17, 2019 19:26:06 GMT
The access to the core is from the 'Electric' lines, which are on the south side once you pass Ilford. Â Sureley the electric lines are on the North side beyond Ilford? Depends which way you're going. From context, he is discussing travel westbound, towards the core. |
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Post by silenthunter on May 17, 2019 19:28:24 GMT
Quite possibly not. The access to the core is from the 'Electric' lines, which are on the south side once you pass Ilford. It is entirely possible to run the current service on the 'Main' Lines, but the platforms at those stations aren't really suited for passenger operations, I believe. Sureley the electric lines are on the North side beyond Ilford? I was referring to going West. They switch sides via a flyover west of Ilford, just west of Tunnelling and Underground Construction Academy. That flyover dates back to the original electrification (work commenced in 1939 and was suspended for the war, resuming after) because of the decision to base the new electric suburban service in Platforms 15 to 18. |
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