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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 22, 2020 12:12:20 GMT
A pleasant surprise this morning to see that TfL Rail West is now exculsivley a 9 car operation with the return of said units to Reading services this week after an absence of almost 8 months. This follows on from the Hayes shuttle being turned back over earlier this month and will now facillitate units not required for immediate lengthening to eventually transfer to TfL Rail East.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 22, 2020 21:48:27 GMT
A pleasant surprise this morning to see that TfL Rail West is now exculsivley a 9 car operation with the return of said units to Reading services this week after an absence of almost 8 months. This follows on from the Hayes shuttle being turned back over earlier this month and will now facillitate units not required for immediate lengthening to eventually transfer to TfL Rail East. I'm pleased to hear that reliability etc is sufficient for the full use of 9-car trains I look forward to this in the east, although of course I understand how it will only be possible after there are platforms at London Liverpool Street suitable for trains this long on this service. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 5, 2021 11:40:45 GMT
It was mentioned in TFL Programmes & Investment Committee Papers this week that work to install a form of Correct Side Door Enable (CSDE) at existing TFL Rail stations has been getting underway. This aims to eliminate the possibility of incidents such as the one at Stratford some years ago. Installation on TFL Rail East is forecast for completion this month whilst installation on TFL Rail West is slated for completion in July.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 22:16:33 GMT
When the 2 extra coaches get put in a 7 coach train where do they go?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 13, 2021 0:22:58 GMT
When the 2 extra coaches get put in a 7 coach train where do they go? list the formations as DMSO+PMSO+MSO+MSO+TSO+MSO+MSO+PMSO+DMSO and car numbers as of the form 340xyz, where x is the position in the unit and yz is the last two digits of the unit number. For example 340621 is the 6th car of unit 345021. 7-car formations have cars 4 and 6 (the MSOs either side of the middle TSO) missing. |
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Post by graeme186 on Apr 20, 2021 19:09:26 GMT
9-Car 345031 has been doing some operations proving on the GEML in preparation for 9-Car passenger service introduction between Liverpool Street and Shenfield
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Post by Chris L on Apr 21, 2021 5:34:11 GMT
9-Car 345031 has been doing some operations proving on the GEML in preparation for 9-Car passenger service introduction between Liverpool Street and Shenfield I hope this goes better than the trial running of the 7 car trains. Bits of platform had to be cut back amongst a number of other problems with sight lines. I was working at Maryland at the time and we had to install additional lights on a platform the night before they entered service. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 22, 2021 17:37:54 GMT
Some photos showing the newly enlarged island platform 16/17 at Liverpool Street. As the tweet mentions, there are still some surface finishing works outstanding but the roll out of 9-car services around the May 2021 timetable change now looks to be a certainty. Click here if the tweet fails to show |
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Post by sunnyday on Apr 23, 2021 8:15:15 GMT
We have just been told that the start of trial running has been pushed back from 26th April. No word of the new date or reason for this delay.
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Post by goldenarrow on May 13, 2021 22:55:36 GMT
Following operational proving, TFL Rail East is now certified for 9-car class 345 operation with the first lengthened units expected to enter service on the route with the May timetable change next week. Conversion to an exclusively Full Length Unit service is forecast for completion in September 2021.
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Post by Chris L on May 14, 2021 18:00:08 GMT
Took a ride on a nine car unit from Paddington to Heathrow today. Very empty.
There is a route diagram for this service above the doors (except doors below the pantograph). There is a route diagram above the windows for the Liverpool Street - Shenfield service at the mid point between the doors.
On the way back I did notice that all the trains in the depot appeared to be the same length (presumably 9 cars).
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Post by Deep Level on May 25, 2021 17:37:02 GMT
Do we know if the 9 cars have started to be introduced in the East this week as planned? I noticed the new signs at Liverpool Street today telling people to use the front 7 carriages for Marland, Forest Gate, Manor Park and Seven Kings which surprised me as I didn't think that Forest Gate or Manor Park Eastbound would be SDO.
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Post by superteacher on May 25, 2021 18:12:11 GMT
Do we know if the 9 cars have started to be introduced in the East this week as planned? I noticed the new signs at Liverpool Street today telling people to use the front 7 carriages for Marland, Forest Gate, Manor Park and Seven Kings which surprised me as I didn't think that Forest Gate or Manor Park Eastbound would be SDO. From my journey on Greater Anglia today, I was able to see the class 345 trains on TFL Rail. I only saw 7 car versions in service, although there were a few 9 car sets in Ilford depot and Gidea Park sidings. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 25, 2021 18:30:11 GMT
Do we know if the 9 cars have started to be introduced in the East this week as planned? I noticed the new signs at Liverpool Street today telling people to use the front 7 carriages for Marland, Forest Gate, Manor Park and Seven Kings which surprised me as I didn't think that Forest Gate or Manor Park Eastbound would be SDO. From my journey on Greater Anglia today, I was able to see the class 345 trains on TFL Rail. I only saw 7 car versions in service, although there were a few 9 car sets in Ilford depot and Gidea Park sidings. Reported elsewhere 9-car operation will start tomorrow 26 May, with only one or possibly two trains. |
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Post by Deep Level on May 26, 2021 7:56:26 GMT
From my journey on Greater Anglia today, I was able to see the class 345 trains on TFL Rail. I only saw 7 car versions in service, although there were a few 9 car sets in Ilford depot and Gidea Park sidings. Reported elsewhere 9-car operation will start tomorrow 26 May, with only one or possibly two trains. If I'd waited one more day to ask I'd have got my answer without needing to ask  . As I arrived at Ilford today I was able to just about make the delayed train before my usual one and as soon as I heard "formed of 9 coaches" I made sure I had my phone ready to take a photo. I did have to board immediately once I reached the platform so unfortunately it's not a great photo but I can confirm that it's finally happening. The photo is taken from my normal boarding point (previously the front of the train but now car 3).  The weirdest part is seeing maps to Reading and Heathrow inside. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 26, 2021 12:54:30 GMT
Confirmation of 345.021 and 345.043 running in service as 9-car trains from Liverpool Street
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Post by Deep Level on May 26, 2021 17:27:04 GMT
It wasn't the case for the one in the photo but the one I saw on my way home seemed to be without any roundels, is that something we're going to see on many of the 9 car trains until the core opens?
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Post by steve98 on Jun 3, 2021 16:20:32 GMT
I note that testing on the "core" section from Abbey Wood to Paddington is still planned to increase to eight trains per hour next week, and twelve per hour from 21st June. Real Time Trains suggests punctuality is broadly good after a couple of poor days at the start.
Steve.
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Post by d7666 on Jun 7, 2021 14:58:12 GMT
For the record, 8 TPH in the Crossrail core testing from today; the times are in RTT; from signalmaps.co.uk/#crossrail:810I make it 12 units shuttling between Abbey Wood and Paddington. |
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Post by d7666 on Jun 8, 2021 14:33:57 GMT
A member posted this on my EMU io.group today, though it might be of interest here, estimated current status of 345 units based on observations :
7-car east side 345003/05-07/09/11-17/22/38/42/56/64
9-car east side 345021/23/43/65/68
9-car west side 345002/04/26/29/30/34/35/39/40/46/47/51/52/55/57-63/66/70
9-car trial running 345010/20/24/25/27/31-33/36/44/49/50/53/54/69
9-car tunnel testing 345037/41/67
7-car to 9-car conversion 345008
9-car other testing 345028/45/48
Ilford 345018
Not in London 345001/19
east side 9-cars are approved for tunnel trial running and cycle to and from Old Oak Depot on 5C82 1212 Old Oak Depot to Gidea Park C.H.S. and 5Y99 1838 Shenfield to Old Oak Depot.
7cars are not permitted through the core and have to be dragged by other routes.
apart from the trial running and east-west change overs other 9car have appeared in the east but for testing only; sightings of different units in the east does not automatically infer they are in passenger use.
no confirmed reports of 345001/18/19/24/25/31-33/36/41/45/48/50/67/69 yet in passenger service.
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Post by sunnyday on Jun 8, 2021 17:55:18 GMT
I note that testing on the "core" section from Abbey Wood to Paddington is still planned to increase to eight trains per hour next week, and twelve per hour from 21st June. Real Time Trains suggests punctuality is broadly good after a couple of poor days at the start. Steve. The COS is closing again for 3 weeks from Sunday 20th June for more works. During this time, I believe the 9 cars on the East will be withdrawn as they cannot be maintained fully at Ilford. (That's what we have been told) The alternative was to haul them around the North London line which was quite expensive. The 12tph trial running commences again from around 11th July when the 9 cars will return to the East and then slowly ramp up and remove the 315s and RLU 345s over late Summer/ Early Autumn. (I am being liberal with the seasons!). |
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 10, 2021 23:15:30 GMT
I was on a 9 car east side train yesterday - I was actually at Stratford waiting for a Hainault via Newbury Park Central line train when the 'next train' announcement said that a 9 car train was approaching.
I made my way to the back of the train and noted how it remained outside the stations when the train stopped. I knew that Maryland was a really difficult (space constrained) location but was surprised that the platforms at Forest Gate and Manor Park stations have also not been extended. Ditto Seven Kings, although as I alighted at Ilford I did not get to see this station on this journey.
Having looked at the track layout from the new part of the platform I still remain convinced that the bay platform track (for platform 5) could have been retained if there had been a desire to do it.
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Post by Chris L on Jun 11, 2021 17:06:01 GMT
I was on a 9 car east side train yesterday - I was actually at Stratford waiting for a Hainault via Newbury Park Central line train when the 'next train' announcement said that a 9 car train was approaching. I made my way to the back of the train and noted how it remained outside the stations when the train stopped. I knew that Maryland was a really difficult (space constrained) location but was surprised that the platforms at Forest Gate and Manor Park stations have also not been extended. Ditto Seven Kings, although as I alighted at Ilford I did not get to see this station on this journey. Having looked at the track layout from the new part of the platform I still remain convinced that the bay platform track (for platform 5) could have been retained if there had been a desire to do it. I used to work for a maintenance company at Ilford and the other stations out to Brentwood. The platform 4 extension crossed the points for platform 5 which could only accommodate a 4 car train. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 12, 2021 20:49:46 GMT
I was on a 9 car east side train yesterday - I was actually at Stratford waiting for a Hainault via Newbury Park Central line train when the 'next train' announcement said that a 9 car train was approaching. I made my way to the back of the train and noted how it remained outside the stations when the train stopped. I knew that Maryland was a really difficult (space constrained) location but was surprised that the platforms at Forest Gate and Manor Park stations have also not been extended. Ditto Seven Kings, although as I alighted at Ilford I did not get to see this station on this journey. Having looked at the track layout from the new part of the platform I still remain convinced that the bay platform track (for platform 5) could have been retained if there had been a desire to do it. I used to work for a maintenance company at Ilford and the other stations out to Brentwood. The platform 4 extension crossed the points for platform 5 which could only accommodate a 4 car train. thats not how I recall things - yes the points would have needed relocating (and the crossover to enable trains from the bay platform to reach the London-bound track) but the bay platform was plenty long enough to easily accommodate 8 car class 315 and 9 car class 306 trains - I know this from direct experience using this station since the 1980s.  Ilford-Class306EMU-plt4-DMU-plt5The diesel train at platform 5 has 5 carriages!  315x2-306081-Ilford9 car class 306 train at platform 3 plus 8 car class 315 trains at platforms 4 and 5 btw, the timetable changes during a recession which saw the number of trains in the rush hours being reduced is also the cause of significant overcrowding on the route (once passenger numbers increased again) which only ceased because of the covid situation |
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Post by Chris L on Jun 13, 2021 7:41:28 GMT
Whichever way you look at it platform 5 could not accommodate a nine car class 345 train.
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 13, 2021 11:34:02 GMT
Whichever way you look at it platform 5 could not accommodate a nine car class 345 train. The nine-car 345s are 205 metres, while three 306 units came in at just below 155 metres. |
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Post by d7666 on Jul 13, 2021 15:32:52 GMT
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Post by d7666 on Jul 13, 2021 16:22:19 GMT
345010
345020
345023
345024
345025
345027
345029
345032
345033
345034
345049
345054
345065
345066
345067
345068
are the 16 units in question for today 13\07\21, answering my own question.
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Post by elsombernie on Jul 13, 2021 18:30:35 GMT
Trains were running on Sunday 11th, with what seemed to be the 8tph service
Yesterday and today seemed to be the 12tph service, but there appear to have been a number of longish holds at Custom House.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 13, 2021 23:04:33 GMT
I noticed that trains are being held in the new tunnels that emerge just before Stratford
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. As I arrived at Ilford today I was able to just about make the delayed train before my usual one and as soon as I heard "formed of 9 coaches" I made sure I had my phone ready to take a photo. I did have to board immediately once I reached the platform so unfortunately it's not a great photo but I can confirm that it's finally happening.
