Jubilee line extension press info help

[Deleted]

Hi there, first post so stick with me,

A little while back I bought a jubilee line extension information pack from the late 90's from eBay. Reading through it I have stumbled across something interesting that I can't get my head around.

The press information quotes " nine of the eleven stations are interchanges, making this the only line on the underground to connect with all existing lines"

It didn't sound right in my head, so I dug out a tube map from 1997 and looking over it, I can't see how they came to that conclusion, even taking into account the W&C and the DLR, there are certainly other lines that achieve this.

Am I missing something, if so please put me out of my misery.

Cheers

[gantshill]

Greetings and welcome.

To try to answer your question.

Before the Jubilee line opened, every London Underground line had an interchange with every other line.

Once the East London line became a clearly separate line (about 1988), it only interchanged with the Metropolitan and District lines at Whitechapel and the DLR at Shadwell. When the Hammersmith and City line gained its own identity (about 1990) then there was no longer direct interchange between the District and Metropolitan lines.

When the Waterloo and City line became a LT line (1994 I think), for another line to interchange with every other line, it had to go to either Bank or Waterloo, and also link with the Metropolitan and East London lines. Only the Jubilee line managed to do so.

[Deleted]

I'm with you, so the east London line is the link I'm missing. Now looking at the map I have (late 1997)it's actually all closed for refurbishment so my eyes have missed that one. Thanks for clearing that up, it would have drove me mad.

[Chris M]

The East London Line was an Underground line at that point and only connected with the District and H&C prior to Canada Water opening. London Overground was only established in 2007.

The District doesn't and didn't meet the Met, and the H&C doesn't meet the Waterloo and City and neither (if you count Bank and Monument as separate stations) met the DLR (the Stratford International of the DLR was later).

The 9 of 11 stations being interchanges only works if you count Southwark as an interchange with Waterloo East, as Bermondsey and North Greenwich only have bus connections (the cable car not even being on the drawing board at this time).

[Deleted]

Would you not class that as a touch with W&C at Bow Road and DLR at bow church as they have a connector on the map ?

[Chris M]

Bow Road and Bow Church are very much separate stations - it's a few minutes walk along the street.

[rincew1nd]

Have a look at this. The UndergrounD station is on the right, the DLR station is the bridge in the distance.

[Chris M]

The bridge, which carries the c2c line between Limehouse and Stratford, is actually about midway between the DLR and Underground stations.

[norbitonflyer]

Feb 7, 2017 21:53:48 GMT @elmaz said:

Would you not class that as a touch with W&C at Bow Road and DLR at bow church as they have a connector on the map ?

You mean H&C, surely?

The problem is providing sufficient trains to meet demand on all sections of the SSR. Taking either of the triangular junctions on the SSR system, if you remove the service from any one side of it, the two arms nearest it can each only provide half the service to the third arm. Take the Circle away and you have to remove the H&C as well if you want the services east of Aldgate East and west of Tower Hill to run at capacity.

It would be possible to run the Circle as a circle if you ran the H&C as an Edgware Road-Hammersmith shuttle, with some met services extended to Barking. Other variants have been suggested over the years - Wimbledon-Edgware Road-Aldgate-Embankment-Wimbledon and Barking-South Kensington-Paddington-Barking?

[norbitonflyer]

Feb 7, 2017 23:07:46 GMT rincew1nd said:

Have a look at this. The UndergrounD station is on the right, the DLR station is the bridge in the distance.

This is Bow Church station - the bridge in the distance is the same one as in the view of Bow Road, but seen from the other side.

The distance is about the same as that from Euston to St Pancras, or the width of the Thames in central London

[rincew1nd]

Apologies, I've only visited once and it was a fair while back! What does the bridge over the road carry?

[Chris M]

Feb 8, 2017 0:17:24 GMT rincew1nd said:

Apologies, I've only visited once and it was a fair while back! What does the bridge over the road carry?

Feb 7, 2017 23:16:16 GMT Chris M said:

The bridge, which carries the c2c line between Limehouse and Stratford...

Seen here on Carto.Metro. It's the line between Gas Factory Junction and Bow Junction.

[rincew1nd]

Sorry, it's all this working, not used to it after my grand tour. Luckily last shift tomorrow for five days.