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Post by crusty54 on Apr 5, 2018 17:06:19 GMT
The station opened as Gower Street and looked nothing like the current station.
The trains were steam operated with open wagons and the platform heights were much lower.
If you Google Gower Street Station 1863 there is a picture in a Sun article.
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Post by brigham on Apr 5, 2018 17:16:37 GMT
Goods trains and pre-opening inspection trains used open waggons. No paying passengers were carried in anything of the sort.
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 5, 2018 18:21:04 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 5, 2018 22:01:49 GMT
If you Google Gower Street Station 1863 there is a picture in a S*n article. And in 1886 they published a photo showing what it was really like. Sorry, I detest that particular rag and their attempts at communicating "the truth". |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 6, 2018 6:43:52 GMT
There are five pictures in that article and, to be fair to the Sun, for the most part they do appear to be accurately captioned. The first, showing open wagons, is captioned as a pre-opening trial run. Two others depict Gower Street (one has the name displayed on the wall, the other is captioned as such) after opening, with roofed carriages clearly visible in one of them. (I don't think open carriages were still in passenger use anywhere by the 1860s).
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Post by brigham on Apr 6, 2018 7:22:19 GMT
Open carriages on main-line trains largely disappeared with Peel's 'Railway Regulation Act' of 1844.
They still persist occasionally on the narrow gauge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 9:09:59 GMT
Ahh, thank you for the clarification! Yes, the station is down for the heady beauty of 'station design idiom 2015' - a timeless masterpiece that future generations will feel blessed to have around them, and who's enjoyment is undoubtedly the next chapter in the fine architectural design history of London's Transport. A worthy aesthetic successor to the likes of Green, Holden, Clark, etc.... /sarcasm. Don’t be too sarcastic! This isn’t the thread to discuss the Station Idiom but as one of the people who commissioned it its intention was to bring some focus and provoke thought as to what a new LU station may look like and so we didn’t end up with poorly presented stations by wildly differing architects (and project managers). As for what happens now with ‘value engineer stations’, such as Finsbury Park, well.... we shall see. The Idiom did have provisions for giving stations a unique feature if possible - such as by artworks or design but I suspect this will be the first element to feel the heat. The Idiom also built on and built in LU’s management of heritage stations and with the selection and protection of certain 1960s Vic line style stations in mind the original intention at Euston Sq was to update an incredibly shabby gateway station and give it some cohesion given what the SFA scheme had landed us with. The ticket hall was grim and the platforms not the best 1960s style. We did consider retiling in grey 6” x 6” but to carry that through the station wouldn’t have likely worked. The 1930s Met tiles - well we thought long and hard about restoration but they are so compromised and to replicate just that section would have left a very disjointed feel to the decor. There are other examples of similar Met tiling ‘protected’ such as the exact ve tile replacement undertaken at Gt Portland St. I don’t know if LTM will collect examples but when I was there many years ago we did acquire extensive examples. It’s a hard call -one thing I learnt in 26 years is you can’t save everything but making informed decisions is key, knowing what battles to fight is important! Also LU does need a style of station that future generations can recognise - quite what that will be in the current grim environment within LU I don’t know. |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 6, 2018 19:15:55 GMT
Ahh, thank you for the clarification! Yes, the station is down for the heady beauty of 'station design idiom 2015' - a timeless masterpiece that future generations will feel blessed to have around them, and who's enjoyment is undoubtedly the next chapter in the fine architectural design history of London's Transport. A worthy aesthetic successor to the likes of Green, Holden, Clark, etc.... /sarcasm. Don’t be too sarcastic! This isn’t the thread to discuss the Station Idiom but as one of the people who commissioned it its intention was to bring some focus and provoke thought as to what a new LU station may look like and so we didn’t end up with poorly presented stations by wildly differing architects (and project managers). As for what happens now with ‘value engineer stations’, such as Finsbury Park, well.... we shall see. The Idiom did have provisions for giving stations a unique feature if possible - such as by artworks or design but I suspect this will be the first element to feel the heat. The Idiom also built on and built in LU’s management of heritage stations and with the selection and protection of certain 1960s Vic line style stations in mind the original intention at Euston Sq was to update an incredibly shabby gateway station and give it some cohesion given what the SFA scheme had landed us with. The ticket hall was grim and the platforms not the best 1960s style. We did consider retiling in grey 6” x 6” but to carry that through the station wouldn’t have likely worked. The 1930s Met tiles - well we thought long and hard about restoration but they are so compromised and to replicate just that section would have left a very disjointed feel to the decor. There are other examples of similar Met tiling ‘protected’ such as the exact ve tile replacement undertaken at Gt Portland St. I don’t know if LTM will collect examples but when I was there many years ago we did acquire extensive examples. It’s a hard call -one thing I learnt in 26 years is you can’t save everything but making informed decisions is key, knowing what battles to fight is important! Also LU does need a style of station that future generations can recognise - quite what that will be in the current grim environment within LU I don’t know. I was looking at the Idiom guide only yesterday. It covers how a station should look to present the corporate image. You have to ask why then are illustrations of the new entrance at Camden Town without a projecting canopy and roundels that can't be seen by customers approaching the station.Isn't it time that architects were made to follow the company standards? I got slightly worried by illustrations of signage in the guide with arrows at the wrong end of text so that they don't conform to mandatory signing standards. To get back on track the stations with white tiles look so much brighter than those with with grey tiles that don't reflect the lighting. |
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Post by malcolmffc on Apr 7, 2018 5:36:33 GMT
Ahh, thank you for the clarification! Yes, the station is down for the heady beauty of 'station design idiom 2015' - a timeless masterpiece that future generations will feel blessed to have around them, and who's enjoyment is undoubtedly the next chapter in the fine architectural design history of London's Transport. A worthy aesthetic successor to the likes of Green, Holden, Clark, etc.... /sarcasm. Don’t be too sarcastic! This isn’t the thread to discuss the Station Idiom but as one of the people who commissioned it its intention was to bring some focus and provoke thought as to what a new LU station may look like and so we didn’t end up with poorly presented stations by wildly differing architects (and project managers). As for what happens now with ‘value engineer stations’, such as Finsbury Park, well.... we shall see. The Idiom did have provisions for giving stations a unique feature if possible - such as by artworks or design but I suspect this will be the first element to feel the heat. The Idiom also built on and built in LU’s management of heritage stations and with the selection and protection of certain 1960s Vic line style stations in mind the original intention at Euston Sq was to update an incredibly shabby gateway station and give it some cohesion given what the SFA scheme had landed us with. The ticket hall was grim and the platforms not the best 1960s style. We did consider retiling in grey 6” x 6” but to carry that through the station wouldn’t have likely worked. The 1930s Met tiles - well we thought long and hard about restoration but they are so compromised and to replicate just that section would have left a very disjointed feel to the decor. There are other examples of similar Met tiling ‘protected’ such as the exact ve tile replacement undertaken at Gt Portland St. I don’t know if LTM will collect examples but when I was there many years ago we did acquire extensive examples. It’s a hard call -one thing I learnt in 26 years is you can’t save everything but making informed decisions is key, knowing what battles to fight is important! Also LU does need a style of station that future generations can recognise - quite what that will be in the current grim environment within LU I don’t know. Thank for the insiders’ information, very interesting. Personally I’m delighted to see the station getting a much needed facelift and won’t miss either the 1930s or 1960s tiling, neither of which was in great condition. I’m curious why the refurb is being done now though given the station is very likely to be changed for HS2. Was it felt things had deteriorated too much and intervention was needed now? |
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Post by malcolmffc on Jun 11, 2018 6:22:20 GMT
The refurb is progressing slowly but surely. All the 1960s and MR tiling is gone (hurrah!) but the nasty 1970s friezes are still in situ alongside the new filing. Hopefully they’ll be coming down soon.
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Post by Red Dragon on Jun 11, 2018 15:00:09 GMT
The refurb is progressing slowly but surely. All the 1960s and MR tiling is gone (hurrah!) but the nasty 1970s friezes are still in situ alongside the new filing. Hopefully they’ll be coming down soon. Apologies for my ignorance, but what is the bathroom style referenced in this thread? Does anyone have any photographic examples? |
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Post by malcolmffc on Jun 11, 2018 18:36:05 GMT
Bathroom style = plain white tiles in an alternating pattern with a blue or black border. Think Paris Metro
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 11, 2018 20:20:46 GMT
The refurb is progressing slowly but surely. All the 1960s and MR tiling is gone (hurrah!) but the nasty 1970s friezes are still in situ alongside the new filing. Hopefully they’ll be coming down soon. Apologies for my ignorance, but what is the bathroom style referenced in this thread? Does anyone have any photographic examples? A video from spsmiler at Sloane Square which lost it's arch emblazoned tiles, the changes here even made it into a national news outlet. Moorgate (Circle/MET/H&C) is well on it's way to joining the bathroom club following works to connect the station to Crossrail. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 11, 2018 22:23:02 GMT
I think that in “Rails Through the Clay”, the original Victoria line blue scheme (as used at Euston Square) is referred to as the “Late Lavatorial Style!”
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Post by version3point1 on Aug 6, 2018 17:15:13 GMT
Here's what it looked like back in May 2018:  It's all very well until they start putting up the adverts. Makes it more of a toilet then. |
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Post by malcolmffc on Aug 17, 2018 20:35:22 GMT
Went through the station today. The new tiling looks 90% complete but the 1970s friezes are still in situ. No work done to the flooring which remains inconsistent throughout the station.
Overall the station is looking much better and brighter.
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Post by North End on Aug 17, 2018 23:04:52 GMT
Went through the station today. The new tiling looks 90% complete but the 1970s friezes are still in situ. No work done to the flooring which remains inconsistent throughout the station. Overall the station is looking much better and brighter. I don’t know I think I preferred it before. It’s one of my least liked stations on LU. The platforms, stairways and booking hall are cramped and it’s impossible to get in or out of the station without multiple people getting in the way. The booking hall is cramped and the couple of UTS machines are right at the bottom of the stairway and thus people get in the way there too. The stairway to the north side of Euston Road is cramped, full of people with wheels cases going to and from Euston mainline, and disgorges onto the polluted and congested Euston Road, plusnnine times out of ten there’s a beggar smack bang in the middle of the pavement. It’s two redeeming features were the old tiles and frieze panels, and now the first of those has gone. It does seem LU is so broke nowadays that they’ve stopped needlessly replacing perfectly functional old signage after the butchering of the PPP years, so let’s hope the frieze at least survives. |
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Post by malcolmffc on Nov 25, 2018 21:46:39 GMT
Disappointingly, looks like the original friezes are not going to be replaced. They look awful next to the shiny new tiling.
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Post by goldenarrow on Nov 25, 2018 22:38:31 GMT
It appears that some five inch holes have been drilled through the tiles at meter intervals roughly six foot up.
Any one know what they could be for?
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Post by trt on Nov 26, 2018 10:37:33 GMT
As far as I'm aware, the station is due for a major overhaul as part of HS2 isn't it? With the addition of a second entrance and ticket hall / circulation area at the other end of the platforms nearest Euston.
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