Without the need to start a new thread, i do wholly agree that it seems as if the night tube has discriminated those in the north west london area. For those living in the area, there must be a certain confusion as to how an area which is probably one of the best served by tube has nothing at all. In the outer north west you have three lines which serve the area yet not one runs at night:
Metropolitan - no service at all. Is this due to the upgrade works to the signalling? (Although the piccadilly has not been upgraded yet still runs a night service.....) Central - excluded north west branch to west ruislip as discussed above Piccadilly - I assume a similar reasoning exists for not running the piccadily line to uxbridge? or at least rayners lane?
It would be interesting to know the reasoning for the above. As a commuter from the north west, it is unfortunate that stanmore is my closest night tube station!
Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 11, 2019 21:15:03 GMT
I understand that the Surface Lines were excluded from the Night Tube because the signalling upgrade will require a lot of night closures. And of course the Picc shares tracks with the SSL not only between Rayners and Uxbridge, but in the Ealing Common area.
There are of course parts of London which have exactly the same level of Tube service day and night - London Boroughs of Bexley, Bromley, Croydon, Sutton, and Kingston.
Thanks, that makes more sense with regards to the Picc line, although the district does serve acton town as well, and this seems ok to run a picc service.
Agree with the aforementioned boroughs, however, they don't have tube lines running in their areas, the north west does, nobody would be complaining if the north west was tubeless in the first place as the assets wouldn't even exist!
I think the Picc is an exception of being a non-upgraded line with a Night Tube service for a couple of reasons - one it serves Heathrow and two it serves areas with a very lively night life (Leicester Square, Piccadilly Circus).
And the more branches you serve, the more trains you need along with more drivers (something that has already been an issue with the current level of service!)
Heathrow is an opportunity area. With a large proportion of the airports work force leaving around Hounslow and Acton, the airport is very much a 24hr operation at weekends even if the planes stop landing at 11PM. As jacks says, it also serves the heart of the West End in what is just a very popular line for tourists.
Back to the North West, the Piccadilly branch to Rayners Lane is still considered something of a backwater even if peak time trains into London are crammed. Given that the line passes through areas of comparatively low housing density, I don't think that we'll see a Night Tube service on that part of the line any time soon.
In all likelihood, Rayners Lane is more likely to a get a Night Tube service from the Metropolitan line post 4LM given that Uxbridge, Harrow and Wembley could become potential opportunity areas since the are already developing plans for a more substantial late night economy.
I think though that if any of the Sub-surface lines where to join the Night Tube network, it would have to be the Circle with its strategic route linking London termini where National Rail services run early into the morning and of course Thameslink services running through St Pancras and Blackfriars all night.
The plan has always been for the Circle to join Night Tube (likely as a circular service) once 4LM is rolled out. 2020 is often given although with the delays to 4LM I’d expect this to slip back a year or so too...
We have done quite well in North West London with the night tube with both the Northern and Jubilee lines, there extra weekend only night buses like the N114 and a few others.
Also since 2002 our night bus network has been good I know there has recently been cut back in service every 30 minutes rather than 20 minutes which was brought on by the night tube which does effect me more as I have to get up earlier when I do early starts.
What really puzzles me is why use routemasters on night buses when TFl are short for money!