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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 17, 2020 18:59:54 GMT
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Post by John Tuthill on Feb 17, 2020 20:29:04 GMT
A well done is due to all concerned, considering the weather. |
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Post by Dom K on Feb 17, 2020 21:20:20 GMT
I can only hope they used this closure to enable any works that were required as I’d imagine the punters would be mega peeved if there was engineering works not long after the repairs |
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 17, 2020 21:45:38 GMT
I can only hope they used this closure to enable any works that were required as I’d imagine the punters would be mega peeved if there was engineering works not long after the repairs If you look at the past 10 years, does any other line have the same hideous closure rate as the GOBLIN? There was the closure for the A1 bridge, then the later closure for electrification works which didn't get done at the same time, then the closure through having sold all the DMUs, and add into the mix a never ending list of weekend closures... |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 17, 2020 22:08:41 GMT
I can only hope they used this closure to enable any works that were required as I’d imagine the punters would be mega peeved if there was engineering works not long after the repairs What I said earlier: Unless Network Rail have plans ready and signed off that are of sufficient detail that quantities of a required materials are known, and those materials are available, and the financial and human resources are also available, and the plans don't require the closure of other bits of railway or of roads, then the emergency works will simply be like for like. will be largely applicable here too - although to an extent the timescale the restoration has taken will have allowed some time to prepare and procure for others works and obviously works to inspect and repair the now removed and replaced track and supporting structures will not be required. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 18, 2020 7:16:35 GMT
I can only hope they used this closure to enable any works that were required as I’d imagine the punters would be mega peeved if there was engineering works not long after the repairs If you look at the past 10 years, does any other line have the same hideous closure rate as the GOBLIN? There was the closure for the A1 bridge, then the later closure for electrification works which didn't get done at the same time, then the closure through having sold all the DMUs, and add into the mix a never ending list of weekend closures... The DMUs weren't sold, they were leased from Angel. |
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Post by stapler on Feb 18, 2020 8:04:53 GMT
Where are the 170s now+
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Post by phil on Feb 18, 2020 8:41:11 GMT
Birmingham!
TfL did not want to extend the lease on the 172 DMUs as they were planning on electrification happening before their lease of the units ended. On the other hand the franchise covering the West Midlands desperately wanted more DMUs - so Angel who actually own the trains signed a contract to make them available to the West Midlands operator as soon as the TfL lease expired.
The fact that (1) the electrification works ran late and (ii) the new Bombardier EMUs were very late in being delivered makes no difference! A contract is a contract and hence the DMUs went north and there was sod all TfL could do about it.
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Post by mcmaddog on Feb 18, 2020 8:48:37 GMT
TfL did not want to extend the lease on the 172 DMUs as they were planning on electrification happening before their lease of the units ended. On the other hand the franchise covering the West Midlands desperately wanted more DMUs - so Angel who actually own the trains signed a contract to make them available to the West Midlands operator as soon as the TfL lease expired. The fact that (1) the electrification works ran late and (ii) the new Bombardier EMUs were very late in being delivered makes no difference! A contract is a contract and hence the DMUs went north and there was sod all TfL could do about it.
It wasn't all that bad - I'd say the deadline helped focus minds to sort the issues sharpish |
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Post by billbedford on Feb 18, 2020 10:25:20 GMT
I can only hope they used this closure to enable any works that were required as I’d imagine the punters would be mega peeved if there was engineering works not long after the repairs Mmm, that does depend on how carefully freight trains are driven, doesn't it? |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 18, 2020 10:36:58 GMT
Mmm, that does depend on how carefully freight trains are driven, doesn't it? Not just driven. How the trains are loaded, how the locomotives and wagons are maintained, and how the infrastructure is maintained are all more important. |
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Post by roythebus on Feb 18, 2020 23:22:22 GMT
Driving of freight trains is an art in itself. Unless it's something you've actually done, I don't feel you're qualified to comment on that.  |
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Post by superteacher on Feb 19, 2020 6:56:46 GMT
Full service has resumed.
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Post by brigham on Feb 19, 2020 8:27:20 GMT
Driving of freight trains is an art in itself. Unless it's something you've actually done, I don't feel you're qualified to comment on that. Very true. Knowing how many brakes to pin down, in all kinds of weather, on half-a-dozen different banks... |
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Post by billbedford on Feb 19, 2020 10:13:11 GMT
Driving of freight trains is an art in itself. Unless it's something you've actually done, I don't feel you're qualified to comment on that. The point was the the TfL passenger service is depended on a whole lot of stuff that they really have very little control over |
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Post by PiccNT on Feb 19, 2020 10:34:30 GMT
Full service has resumed. Thank heavens I won't be hearing our Line Information Specialist telling us it's closed and the full reason every 30 minutes anymore. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 19, 2020 11:22:30 GMT
Driving of freight trains is an art in itself. Unless it's something you've actually done, I don't feel you're qualified to comment on that. The point was the the TfL passenger service is depended on a whole lot of stuff that they really have very little control over In that respect London Overground is no different from Thameslink, c2c or any other mainline passenger service, they pay Network Rail track access fees to run on NR's "metals" and share some routes with other operators. |
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Post by countryman on Feb 19, 2020 13:04:30 GMT
Driving of freight trains is an art in itself. Unless it's something you've actually done, I don't feel you're qualified to comment on that. Very true. Knowing how many brakes to pin down, in all kinds of weather, on half-a-dozen different banks... Surely this isn't done nowadays. It used to be done on loose coupled unbraked freights; pretty sure it was unnecessary with a part-fitted freight, depending on the size of the fitted head. |
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Post by roythebus on Feb 21, 2020 19:54:22 GMT
Very true. Knowing how many brakes to pin down, in all kinds of weather, on half-a-dozen different banks... Surely this isn't done nowadays. It used to be done on loose coupled unbraked freights; pretty sure it was unnecessary with a part-fitted freight, depending on the size of the fitted head. You're right there. the last loose coupled freight ended many years ago. I wrked them as a secondman in the 1970s at Rugby and out of Kings Cross. The first train I was let loose to drive was a class 25 with 600 tons of mineral wagons on the Rugby-Southam branch, luckily worked one engine in steam, so nothing could go wrong, or could it? I'd been used to handling sub-surface stock as guard/emergency motorman, stop on a sixpence. but, just having a brake on the loco meant much longer stopping distnaces. Luckily it didn't matter on the Southam branch, we had the railway to ourselves. All freight is now fully fitted and air braked, but with varying weight and gradients, they take a lot of skill to start and stop. |
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Post by roythebus on Feb 21, 2020 19:55:40 GMT
Announcement from "sonja" : Normal service has been resumed. The next freight train derailment will be next Wednesday at 16:53" |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 25, 2020 23:34:35 GMT
Announcement from "sonja" : Normal service has been resumed. The next freight train derailment will be next Wednesday at 16:53" Hopefully though on someone's model railway, where the damage will be easier and less costly to resolve! As an aside, the thought crossed my mind, a big "what if" ... the train that had derailed had been routed via Forest Gate, the Great Eastern Main Line and (after Stratford) the North London Line? As bad as things were, we were lucky - it could have been far far worse. Apologies if I've just given anyone a nightmare. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 26, 2020 15:43:29 GMT
As an aside, the thought crossed my mind, a big "what if" ... the train that had derailed had been routed via Forest Gate, the Great Eastern Main Line and (after Stratford) the North London Line? . But did the condition of the track contribute to the derailment? In which case it might not have derailed if it went the other way. (Even if the primary cause was a fault with the wagon, there must be a reason it chose to derail just where it did) |
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 26, 2020 20:55:54 GMT
As an aside, the thought crossed my mind, a big "what if" ... the train that had derailed had been routed via Forest Gate, the Great Eastern Main Line and (after Stratford) the North London Line? . But did the condition of the track contribute to the derailment? In which case it might not have derailed if it went the other way. (Even if the primary cause was a fault with the wagon, there must be a reason it chose to derail just where it did) "will include consideration of: - the condition, inspection and maintenance of the track, including the longitudinal bridge timbers supporting the rails
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Post by Chris M on Nov 16, 2020 14:31:37 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 16, 2020 22:25:30 GMT
Hmm, interesting... maybe this incident prevented something far worse? We will never know.
In the meantime, I hope that the condition of the timber bearers along the rest of the elevated route is are checked 'just in case'.
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Post by brigham on Nov 17, 2020 8:43:38 GMT
Hmm, interesting... maybe this incident prevented something far worse? We will never know. In the meantime, I hope that the condition of the timber bearers along the rest of the elevated route is are checked 'just in case'. The condition IS; only the bearers ARE. |
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Post by stapler on Nov 17, 2020 12:30:07 GMT
The previous incident, when a longitudinal timber fell off St Ann's Rd bridge in Tottenham, narrowly missed a chap walking his dog, and was duly reported to the police and NR, doesn't seen to have...
The Lorne Rd bridge 465 was built in 1893. It was not envisaged that 2000 ton freight trains would be using it. A Kirtley 2-4-0 and a rake of a doxen wooden four- and six- wheelers is a very different animal
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Post by trog on Nov 19, 2020 19:01:29 GMT
If the track gauge on the bridge was going wide presumably due to the rails and chairs/baseplates rotating under load because the centre of the timber was soft/rotten. The running band on the heads of the rails would move sideways at the point where the gauge was suspect. This is about the first thing you would look at if inspecting, patrolling or just walking along the track over a long timbered bridge. As it is the classic sign of a common failure mode.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 20, 2020 22:13:17 GMT
Hmm, interesting... maybe this incident prevented something far worse? We will never know. In the meantime, I hope that the condition of the timber bearers along the rest of the elevated route is are checked 'just in case'. The condition IS; only the bearers ARE. I was not sure, so in a way hedged my bets! |
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