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Post by silenthunter on Feb 19, 2020 21:53:18 GMT
Are there any plans for a final farewell tour for the 315s when they've withdrawn?
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Post by superteacher on Feb 19, 2020 22:18:07 GMT
And when is that likely to be? They have been on borrowed time for a while now, thanks to the delays with Crossrail.
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Post by sunnyday on Feb 20, 2020 15:22:58 GMT
I think the 345s will have their farewell tour first the way things are going.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 23:08:22 GMT
is unit 833 still running around?
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 26, 2020 9:08:17 GMT
is unit 833 still running around? Withdrawn from service around four months ago and subsequently placed in warm storage. |
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Post by waysider on Jul 21, 2020 15:23:05 GMT
why is unit 833 noteworthy?
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 21, 2020 17:13:29 GMT
is unit 833 still running around? Withdrawn from service around four months ago and subsequently placed in warm storage. In service with LO on my train home from work yesterday morning. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 18, 2020 20:33:08 GMT
Withdrawn from service around four months ago and subsequently placed in warm storage. In service with LO on my train home from work yesterday morning. Reported elsewhere as withdrawn from service and due to be sent off into warm storage again! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 21:14:28 GMT
why is unit 833 noteworthy? I helped to fix it on my work experience back in the day with a thyristor bank change out. Then I went with it on test between Ilford Depot and Shenfield and back. |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 17, 2020 11:23:22 GMT
I understand that this coming week will see the last Class 315 on London Overground routes out of Liverpool Street.
Alas, because of the Covid pandemic I missed the changeover period and am unlikely to be able to make a final journey on this route.
However these trains are still on the route they were built for - Liverpool Street - Gidea Park - etc (to replace Class 306 trains).
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 17, 2020 16:03:06 GMT
Given what is in the public domain I think it is reasonable to say that the final public trip will happen at some point within the next four days (inclusive of today). There are no longer any 'planned' 315 workings although one pair has been out most days this week to cover for driver training.
Given both the Forum Rules on 'special workings', and the current Tier 2 lockdown restrictions within London, any further detail would be inappropriate, and the Forum Staff will remove any posts that include explicit workings. (Indeed, I am reliably informed that some of the workings floating around the public domain are very much subject to change...)
Class 315s will continue on the Liverpool Street to Shenfield for the foreseeable future, Mondays to Fridays only.
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Post by d7666 on Dec 19, 2020 20:22:47 GMT
As of this week, w\c 14\12\20, 315s workings are limited to SX peaks only, covered by 6 x 6car trains, although the definition of peak is stretched a bit, as there are a couple of very early a.m. starts and other very late p.m. ends.
I can provide diagrams here if interested and allowed, unsure about the forum rules on posting things that might be interpreted as encouraging travel, especially with todays new covid Tier 4 rules coming in. Likewise I could give the io group I own, where they can be downloaded from, but not sure I'm allowed to plug in here ?
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 19, 2020 22:43:08 GMT
Admin comment
The forum rules are clear about posting the movements of special trains. However, a regular diagram is different.
That said, forum members live in areas subject to a variety of restrictions which they should always follow. It's also worth remembering that just because you can make a non-essential journey that doesn't mean you should.
The above also extends to "io groups".
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Post by d7666 on Dec 19, 2020 23:33:36 GMT
Thanks.
In that case then, here are the diagrams, posted here for historical record, and not to encourage travel on or to just to observe or photo or video etc :
0541 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 0624 (2W15)
0727 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 0756 (2C49)
0807 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 0835 (2C48)
0849 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 0919 (2C87)
1656 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 1737 (2W98)
1744 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 1824 (2W49)
1833 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park (2C46)
0649 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 0720 (2C33)
0727 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 0758 (2C32)
0812 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 0843 (2C71)
1716 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 1757 (2W08)
1804 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 1843 (2W57)
1853 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 1921 (2C54)
0526 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 0557 (2C09)
0614 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 0657 (2W10)
0710 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 0751 (2W47)
0800 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 0845 (2W46)
0852 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 0935 (2W93)
1752 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 1820 (2C26)
1832 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 1901 (2C63)
1912 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 1955 (2W60)
2003 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 2046 (2W91)
2057 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 2140 (2W88)
0524 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 0607 (2W02)
0617 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 0700 (2W25)
0707 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 0735 (2C24)
0758 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 0827 (2C63)
0836 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 0905 (2C60)
1646 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 1727 (2W94)
1734 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 1815 (2W45)
1824 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 1852 (2C42)
1808 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 1836 (2C34)
0659 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 0730 (2C37)
0737 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 0805 (2C36)
0819 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 0851 (2C75)
1730 Liverpool Street-Gidea Park 1758 (2C14)
1812 Gidea Park-Liverpool Street 1841 (2C55)
1848 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 1931 (2W52)
1941 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 2024 (2W85)
2034 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 2117 (2W82)
2126 Shenfield-Liverpool Street 2209 (2W15)
2224 Liverpool Street-Shenfield 2307 (2W12)
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Post by stapler on Dec 20, 2020 8:15:49 GMT
What, in fact was the final 315 working on the Chingford branch? Just for the record....
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Post by Chris L on Dec 20, 2020 12:16:03 GMT
The tier 4 statement clearly stated only essential journeys from now on.
Matt Hancock seemed to say this morning that tier 4 will be in place until vaccinations are in place.
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 20, 2020 15:22:26 GMT
What, in fact was the final 315 working on the Chingford branch? Just for the record.... The last day of 315 operations on West Anglia was 20th October. (C) 315802+315807 (L) worked as follows: - 2T59 1225 CHI-LST - 2U42 1300 LST-ENF - 2U47 1352 ENF-LST - 2T68 1433 LST-CHI The last Cheshunt service was the previous evening; the same units worked: - 2D64 2045 LST-CHN - 2D63 2131 CHN-LST CHI - Chingford LST - Liverpool Street ENF - Enfield Town CHN - Cheshunt |
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 22, 2020 0:06:22 GMT
As of this week, w\c 14\12\20, 315s workings are limited to SX peaks only, covered by 6 x 6car trains, although the definition of peak is stretched a bit, as there are a couple of very early a.m. starts and other very late p.m. ends. I can provide diagrams here if interested and allowed, unsure about the forum rules on posting things that might be interpreted as encouraging travel, especially with todays new covid Tier 4 rules coming in. Likewise I could give the io group I own, where they can be downloaded from, but not sure I'm allowed to plug in here ? I am baffled. 6 x 6 car trains? Surely you mean 8 car, as each train unit has 4 cars and nowadays these trains normally operate as two units coupled together. As for seeing these, I could very easily arrange my lockdown-compliant permitted exercise or shopping trips to Ilford to coincide with the passing-by of some of these trains, although only as a lineside or road bridge sightseer and not as a passenger. At this time of year these have become nocturnal beasts, but come the spring some journeys will be in daylight again. Even before then the lockdowns should be over, so I (and everyone else) will be free to travel as and when we wish. |
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Post by stapler on Dec 22, 2020 8:35:41 GMT
<<come the spring some journeys will be in daylight again. Even before then the lockdowns should be over, so I (and everyone else) will be free to travel as and when we wish>>
If ever!
I haven't been on a train on the GEML through Ilford since the eleventh of March - and then reluctantly--
Since when there has been a big turnround of rolling stock, end of the 317s, end of proper trains on the Norwiches, and their replacement by aggrandised tramcars, virtual elimination of the 315s, no more trains with conventiol (and ample) w.c.s... Which are next, the 321s, before the 360s?
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 22, 2020 8:51:43 GMT
Plenty of 317s still running. 360s due to be gone by the end of the year.
Intrigued as to what you mean about “aggrandised tramcars” - have you actually travelled on a class 745? They are a *huge* step change from what came before and are some of the best IC trains running. They are very much “proper” trains - what is an improper train?
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Post by Chris L on Dec 22, 2020 9:59:11 GMT
<<come the spring some journeys will be in daylight again. Even before then the lockdowns should be over, so I (and everyone else) will be free to travel as and when we wish>> If ever! I haven't been on a train on the GEML through Ilford since the eleventh of March - and then reluctantly-- Since when there has been a big turnround of rolling stock, end of the 317s, end of proper trains on the Norwiches, and their replacement by aggrandised tramcars, virtual elimination of the 315s, no more trains with conventiol (and ample) w.c.s... Which are next, the 321s, before the 360s? The new 745s are far superior to the trains they replaced. They offer a smooth, quiet ride and rapid acceleration. |
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Post by t697 on Dec 22, 2020 10:19:42 GMT
It was quite quaint to include Stratford to Liverpool St on my commute and have loco haulage and have to drop the window to turn the door handle though!
Suppose commuting is quaint for so many now too.
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Post by Tom on Dec 22, 2020 13:06:33 GMT
It was quite quaint to include Stratford to Liverpool St on my commute and have loco haulage and have to drop the window to turn the door handle though! Suppose commuting is quaint for so many now too. I suspect you weren't the only person to leave the office in time for the xx:45 from Norwich - I certainly enjoyed the Mark 3 journey, for all of ten minutes. |
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Post by stapler on Dec 22, 2020 13:17:35 GMT
Aggrandised trams---Just like the Tango trams in Basle IMO. I don't see them as superior to the Mark 3s. However, good that you don't have to perform contortions to open the door. Can't help thinking GA have over-spent on these...
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 22, 2020 14:13:10 GMT
Anything without a squeaky gangway and is actually accessible is superior to a mark 3.
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Post by d7666 on Dec 22, 2020 17:37:57 GMT
As of this week, w\c 14\12\20, 315s workings are limited to SX peaks only, covered by 6 x 6car trains, although the definition of peak is stretched a bit, as there are a couple of very early a.m. starts and other very late p.m. ends. I can provide diagrams here if interested and allowed, unsure about the forum rules on posting things that might be interpreted as encouraging travel, especially with todays new covid Tier 4 rules coming in. Likewise I could give the io group I own, where they can be downloaded from, but not sure I'm allowed to plug in here ? I am baffled. 6 x 6 car trains? Surely you mean 8 car, as each train unit has 4 cars and nowadays these trains normally operate as two units coupled together. As for seeing these, I could very easily arrange my lockdown-compliant permitted exercise or shopping trips to Ilford to coincide with the passing-by of some of these trains, although only as a lineside or road bridge sightseer and not as a passenger. At this time of year these have become nocturnal beasts, but come the spring some journeys will be in daylight again. Even before then the lockdowns should be over, so I (and everyone else) will be free to travel as and when we wish. Yes 8 car - typo : but I'd suggest that's pretty obvious it is a typo isn't it ? |
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 22, 2020 21:56:14 GMT
Yes 8 car - typo : but I'd suggest that's pretty obvious it is a typo isn't it ? Yes and no - because other PEP trains (including classes 313, 314, and 507, 508 when in Merseyside) were built as three car units. Only the 315's and the third rail electrics when in London (508s) were originally built as four car trains. |
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Post by t697 on Dec 29, 2020 10:18:17 GMT
Anything without a squeaky gangway and is actually accessible is superior to a mark 3. Ah, if one rode at the front of the first coach next to the loco, the gangway wasn't connected and wasn't squeaking! Lots to like about a Mk3 coach but admittedly not if you can't use it easily. |
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Post by rtt1928 on Jan 24, 2021 15:44:07 GMT
Could the 315's work in multiple with the 313's working the lines on the South Coast once they are withdrawn from TfL Rail, but to stop this going into RIPAS territory, is there anything to be gained from this, even if it was theoretically possible.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 24, 2021 16:05:14 GMT
Could the 315's work in multiple with the 313's working the lines on the South Coast once they are withdrawn from TfL Rail, but to stop this going into RIPAS territory, is there anything to be gained from this, even if it was theoretically possible. Class 315 are 25kv AC overhead only so would not be able to traverse the 3rd rail network powered as they are. Aside from common component salvaging, there is little to be gained from the 315's post-TFL Rail bearing in mind age, cost of modifications and the relative cheapness in procuring new Electric Multiple Units at present.. |
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