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Post by jimbo on Jun 5, 2024 8:20:15 GMT
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Post by imran on Jun 5, 2024 12:19:43 GMT
Does the report state when construction on these projects will begin?
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 5, 2024 18:04:29 GMT
I wonder if making the O2 Centre car-free will also mean the closing of the adjacent Sainsburys car park?
I also wonder what local people will think of this?
In the past few weeks I've found myself visiting this Sainsburys, arriving via the Metropolitan line and departing via the North London Line. Neither the Underground nor the Overground stations are accessible, so I had to carry a heavy shopping trolley down the stairs. The lack of weather protection on the stairway made me thankful that the weather was neither wet (nor even worse) cold & icy.
On both sides of the somewhat spartan North London Line station building there are boarded up patches of waste ground which create the impression that there was once a much larger and grander station building here. In the present era the boarded up space could possibly be suitable for installing accessibility lifts - hopefully in a way that does not disbenefit all other passengers by increasing the walking distance between street and platforms (as was done at West Hampstead Overground station).
The walk between the Overground station and the O2 passes by the site of a former Midland Mainline station and the steeply graded road access to the car park. Some sort of inclined lift would help making this route fully accessible.
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Post by starlight73 on Jun 5, 2024 20:17:25 GMT
I wonder if making the O2 Centre car-free will also mean the closing of the adjacent Sainsburys car park? […] The walk between the Overground station and the O2 passes by the site of a former Midland Mainline station and the steeply graded road access to the car park. Some sort of inclined lift would help making this route fully accessible. The area between Sainsbury’s & West Hampstead (Jubilee line) is currently a car park & some businesses - presumably this is the Sainsbury’s car park... This will be replaced with new tower blocks & commercial units, including a second entrance to the station with step-free access. ( Source: ianVisits) hopefully the walking route will be less steep once the development is built. When you said North London Line station, did you mean Finchley Road & Frognal?
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Post by starlight73 on Jun 6, 2024 11:48:36 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 6, 2024 22:45:20 GMT
When you said North London Line station, did you mean Finchley Road & Frognal? Indeed so, Finchley Road and Frognal station. I have never even contemplated going to the O2 via any of the West Hampstead stations. I wonder whether the planned step-free works at West Hampstead Jubilee line station will mean an end of the excellent view looking south towards the Finchley Road Met / Jubilee station?
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Post by imran on Jun 16, 2024 13:40:37 GMT
Apparently, I’m hearing from the TFL website that Knightsbridge has been pushed back to Winter 2024/25. Can someone confirm this is true?
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Post by starlight73 on Jun 16, 2024 15:15:51 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Jun 18, 2024 22:44:58 GMT
It seems that Knightsbridge planned works are completed, but ... TfL Investment programme report Quarter 4 2023/24 (10 December 2023 to 31 March 2024)
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Post by jimbo on Jul 4, 2024 0:00:18 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 4, 2024 17:52:14 GMT
Well I hope that there are no line closures for the substandard* works at Leyton.
*does not reinstate an entrance for people who live near the eastern end of the station
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Post by gefw on Jul 4, 2024 18:40:42 GMT
Will be interesting to see the detailed design for Leyton - This may give clues as to how much the existing station will be affected by the works (and possible closures)
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Post by imran on Jul 5, 2024 11:44:44 GMT
Well I hope that there are no line closures for the substandard* works at Leyton. *does not reinstate an entrance for people who live near the eastern end of the station Hopefully it doesn’t. But I won’t be surprised if we get a couple of closures between Bethnal Green and Leytonstone.
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Post by imran on Jul 5, 2024 11:47:12 GMT
Will be interesting to see the detailed design for Leyton - This may give clues as to how much the existing station will be affected by the works (and possible closures) Well, they’ll need to have access to the platforms for the new staircases and possible access to the tracks to lower the new footbridge into place. If a temporary station closure is needed for a few months, it will be very controversial with people and businesses!
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Post by Chris M on Jul 5, 2024 13:33:00 GMT
Whether new staircases will require closures will depend on how much of the platforms they take up and how close to the track they are. It may be possible to do it all in engineering hours. A new footbridge will almost certainly require track closures, but how many and whether they extend beyond engineering hours will depend on the detailed design and construction plans.
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Post by imran on Jul 5, 2024 15:49:45 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Jul 5, 2024 22:53:43 GMT
I'm no expert, but I would be very surprised if the construction of those staircases and lifts required any line closures. In terms of platform closures, something of the order of 2-4 (long) weekends total (start and end of construction, 1-2 between those points) seems most likely. The footbridge will require a track closure to install but again almost certainly only on the order of days not weeks and it's not impossible some of the platform works could be done concurrently. It's also likely that it could be coordinated with other closures. As I said though it will depend on the detailed design (the power point graphics are not detailed) and construction plans, which will be drawn up by people who actually are expects.
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Post by stapler on Jul 6, 2024 9:16:05 GMT
Thanks vm. Do we have any estimate of its cost?
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Post by gefw on Jul 6, 2024 11:39:51 GMT
I believe the Leyton detailed design & site contractor engagement has just been completed so will be interesting to see how it has developed based on the constraints of the available space and considering the existing facilities at platform level; in particular will be interesting to see what they do about a station supervisors office (prospectively a lot of kit to relocate) - this used to be on the WB plat in the area of the new lift/stairs. Is there an operationally more desirable position? Also looks to be challenges with regards heavy deliveries/craning in prefab parts such as overbridge, lift frames, piling rigs, palletised materials etc
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Post by Chris M on Jul 6, 2024 11:45:26 GMT
I suspect that large parts that need craning on to site will be craned from the A12.
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Post by gefw on Jul 6, 2024 12:09:10 GMT
Or delivery by train ?
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Post by imran on Jul 7, 2024 8:30:36 GMT
Probably might be the best choice!
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Post by gefw on Jul 7, 2024 10:27:46 GMT
Yes the previous SFA project team eventually found this for similarly difficult sites like Hanger Lane - once they understood what the options were and the booking process (and that it can be nil cost to the project !!!).
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 7, 2024 14:09:41 GMT
If the train came from the east ... maybe this would be possible? Its a route that was built to main line loading guage (ie: not tube train) Exactly how the (especially the larger) parts could be delivered via the tube train tunnels would likely interest many people - not just people here! If only there was a nearby goods depot.... (readers who do not know this station's history might not understand this comment)
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Post by imran on Aug 5, 2024 14:01:54 GMT
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Post by trainwizard on Aug 5, 2024 15:01:22 GMT
What happened to Rayners Lane and Finchley Road? I remember seeing them on similar lists.
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Post by imran on Aug 5, 2024 15:34:48 GMT
Finchley Road will likely have its work done during the redevelopment of the O2 centre. Rayners Lane will most likely happen later the line as well.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 7, 2024 17:12:12 GMT
Design work has started at Alperton, Arnos Grove & Eastcote stations on the Piccadilly Line to make all three of them step-free. For Alperton they could use an escalator shaft. I wonder whether the LT Museum (or one of its storage areas) would welcome a genuine historic escalator? If not, maybe a railway museum elsewhere. Probably it would have to remain a static exhibit as it might be expensive to maintain in working order.
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Post by imran on Aug 7, 2024 17:53:24 GMT
That’s interesting. I didn’t even think about them possibly using the old escalator shafts to make the new lift shafts. I wonder how they can make the other stations mentioned step-free?
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Post by gefw on Aug 7, 2024 18:14:06 GMT
That’s interesting. I didn’t even think about them possibly using the old escalator shafts to make the new lift shafts. I wonder how they can make the other stations mentioned step-free? Perhaps they are thinking of doing something like Greenford (which has a lift type carriage that runs up the incline of the the escalator incline/fixed stairs)
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