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Post by roythebus on Nov 26, 2020 7:38:40 GMT
With all the talk of preserving Island Line 1938 stock and filling it with batteries to enable it to run on heritage lines, has nobody thought of prerving a couple of battery locos for the purpose?
It shouldn't be too difficult to fit Wedgelock couplers to the battery loco to enable it to work in multiple with the 38 stock. This would aboid the need to run rund at each end of the line as the battery loco could then be driven from the leading cab of the 38 stock. I wouldn't envisage the 38 stock being powered, just use the battery loco. That would sabe hving to fit 600v power jumpers between the battery loco and the 38 stock and the dangers of staff having to connect said jumpers.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 26, 2020 10:16:49 GMT
The proposal from the LT Traction Group is precisely that they don’t want a large yellow (or maroon) lump of metal blocking views of the classic lines of a ‘38 Stock, to allow it to have operating motors, compressors, doors, internal and external lights, all from an internal source.
Something similar is proposed for the LTMs Q Stock + A Stock trailer project.
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Post by metman on Nov 28, 2020 10:34:34 GMT
I wonder were it’s going to fit on the 1938 stock?
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Post by ted672 on Nov 29, 2020 16:10:57 GMT
The only way I can see of fitting batteries would be to section off the driver's end of one car, remove the seats and use that space. It would then be possible to place an image of the empty seating area on the partition wall, a bit like the one on the car in the museum at Covent Garden.
Would one powered car be enough within the unit as this would avoid high voltage cables between the cars?
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 29, 2020 17:19:15 GMT
The only way I can see of fitting batteries would be to section off the driver's end of one car, remove the seats and use that space. It would then be possible to place an image of the empty seating area on the partition wall, a bit like the one on the car in the museum at Covent Garden. Would one powered car be enough within the unit as this would avoid high voltage cables between the cars? So we would end up with a '1938/Standard' DM?  |
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 29, 2020 21:34:46 GMT
On a 2 car train that will somewhat limit passenger capacity even further!
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Post by ted672 on Nov 30, 2020 14:16:38 GMT
It will be very interesting to see how the battery propulsion is achieved, perhaps Vivarail may wish to help? As long as it doesn't involve the strange whining noise that seems to accompany the revised D stock. At least the preserved unit will only be a dozen miles from home as I've not been able to travel to the island to see them.
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Post by brigham on Nov 30, 2020 16:18:59 GMT
Does anyone have a '38TS trailer which could be converted to an accumulator car?
It could be a joint venture with anyone else trying to run tube stock 'off the juice'.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Nov 30, 2020 16:38:17 GMT
The only way I can see of fitting batteries would be to section off the driver's end of one car, remove the seats and use that space. It would then be possible to place an image of the empty seating area on the partition wall, a bit like the one on the car in the museum at Covent Garden. Would one powered car be enough within the unit as this would avoid high voltage cables between the cars? So we would end up with a '1938/Standard' DM? No reason why you couldn't have high voltage cables between the cars. Just wouldn't be able to run in a tube tunnel like that |
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Post by metman on Nov 30, 2020 22:04:05 GMT
Does anyone have a '38TS trailer which could be converted to an accumulator car? It could be a joint venture with anyone else trying to run tube stock 'off the juice'. Only the one in the Cravens set and the one on the museum unit. Could cut and shut two of the driving motors I suppose! 😂 |
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Post by brigham on Dec 1, 2020 8:38:55 GMT
How similar is a '59TS trailer?
ALL of the IOW withdrawn stock could do with putting in safe storage, until these possibilities are explored.
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Post by 35b on Dec 1, 2020 10:04:56 GMT
How similar is a '59TS trailer? ALL of the IOW withdrawn stock could do with putting in safe storage, until these possibilities are explored. Where will the cash and volunteers come from? 3 of the surviving units strikes me as quite good. |
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Post by metman on Dec 1, 2020 18:26:22 GMT
A 59/62 trailer is not that similar but if painted red with appropriate interior finishes wouldn’t be too out of place. The bogies are different and it would need some wiring alterations especially with regard to the interior lighting by removing the light tubes.
It may be pie in the sky stuff though as the costs of this (and indeed storage of the excess units) may be prohibitive.
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Post by Chris L on Dec 1, 2020 20:34:56 GMT
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roythebus
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Post by roythebus on Dec 1, 2020 20:59:13 GMT
The 38 already has "high voltage" jumpers between cars. If they didn't there would be a distinct possibility of the train getting gapped. As I've said elsewhere, filling any space with batteried would mean altering the springing arrangements and careful design to ensure maximum axle loading isn't exceeded. Maybe a spare battery loco in between the 2 cars?
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Post by brigham on Dec 2, 2020 8:33:54 GMT
How similar is a '59TS trailer? ALL of the IOW withdrawn stock could do with putting in safe storage, until these possibilities are explored. Where will the cash and volunteers come from? 3 of the surviving units strikes me as quite good. I don't know where the cash and volunteers come from where railway preservation is concerned. It's always baffled me. It does happen, though; you can't build a whole locomotive for my £20. |
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 7, 2020 0:09:35 GMT
How similar is a '59TS trailer? ALL of the IOW withdrawn stock could do with putting in safe storage, until these possibilities are explored. yes but also weather proof - even if safe from vandalism (etc) being outdoors experiencing whatever the weather sends their way will not be good for long-term survival. I have the former electric railway museum in Coventry in mind here. |
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Post by rincew1nd on May 11, 2021 18:16:14 GMT
Anyone wanna buy a 38ts?
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Post by metman on May 11, 2021 18:30:04 GMT
Wow! Not in great condition is it. At least delivery is free!
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Post by a60 on May 11, 2021 19:19:19 GMT
Gosh, I'm not sure they're worth £32,000 as do-er uppers much less scrap, even if the majority of what's left is more than likely made of pre-atomic steel.
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Post by seaeagle on May 11, 2021 19:19:50 GMT
Wow! Not in great condition is it. At least delivery is free! Got to feel sorry for the postie  |
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Post by Chris M on May 11, 2021 21:32:35 GMT
Gosh, I'm not sure they're worth £32,000 as do-er uppers much less scrap, even if the majority of what's left is more than likely made of pre-atomic steel. I imagine much of that is the hire of the low-loader used to deliver it to wherever. |
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Post by metman on May 14, 2021 19:38:14 GMT
Sounds like it had been taken down. I’m sure it was a wind up!
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Post by ertowerty1 on Dec 9, 2021 20:32:19 GMT
Another possible solution would be to use a battery loco mid-formation and clad it to look like a trailer car. At least the superstructure and bogies would be designed for the weight of the batteries.
Note that battery locos have a 320v battery and compressors to suit, so a battery loco would not run a nominal 600 v M-G.
When standard stock was in use as Personnel Carriers, the lighting was powered from the battery loco direct at 320V , with a number of series traction lamps.
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 10, 2021 18:48:13 GMT
So we would end up with a '1938/Standard' DM? No reason why you couldn't have high voltage cables between the cars. Just wouldn't be able to run in a tube tunnel like that There is high voltage cables between the cars on the underground Which run in tube tunnels |
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Post by joshua on Mar 13, 2022 20:38:59 GMT
It will be very interesting to see how the battery propulsion is achieved, perhaps Vivarail may wish to help? As long as it doesn't involve the strange whining noise that seems to accompany the revised D stock. At least the preserved unit will only be a dozen miles from home as I've not been able to travel to the island to see them. I would have thought the whining noise would have come from the DC to AC converts and/or AC traction motors. I would not see any reason to change the DC motors for AC motors on British Rail Class 483. |
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Post by joshua on Mar 13, 2022 20:44:54 GMT
Another possible solution would be to use a battery loco mid-formation and clad it to look like a trailer car. At least the superstructure and bogies would be designed for the weight of the batteries. Note that battery locos have a 320v battery and compressors to suit, so a battery loco would not run a nominal 600 v M-G. When standard stock was in use as Personnel Carriers, the lighting was powered from the battery loco direct at 320V , with a number of series traction lamps. What about if you replaced the Lead Acid batteries for a similar Lithium batteries to the British Rail Class 230? |
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