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Post by hobbayne on Jan 10, 2021 11:06:17 GMT
I assume the engineering work planned for Feb 13th is to remove these blooming things?
<<Rincew1nd: Panderol changed to Pandrol in thread title>>
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Post by zbang on Jan 10, 2021 22:21:40 GMT
Pandrol clips? Pretty useful and easy to remove/replace.
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Post by class411 on Jan 11, 2021 8:47:04 GMT
I assume the engineering work planned for Feb 13th is to remove these blooming things? What's the problem with them? Tens (hundreds?) of millions of them have been happily keeping rails on sleepers for decades. |
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Post by hobbayne on Jan 11, 2021 11:15:50 GMT
I assume the engineering work planned for Feb 13th is to remove these blooming things? What's the problem with them? Tens (hundreds?) of millions of them have been happily keeping rails on sleepers for decades. The blooming noise is horrendous! Drivers and passengers have been complaing about it for months. Especially around Bethnal Green and Wanstead Mod note: Please try to avoid using abbreviated station names, not everyone knows where they are. Thanks. |
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Post by t697 on Jan 11, 2021 14:57:07 GMT
I assume the engineering work planned for Feb 13th is to remove these blooming things? What's the problem with them? Tens (hundreds?) of millions of them have been happily keeping rails on sleepers for decades. I think this is about Pandrol Vanguard resilient baseplates, not the time honoured Pandrol Clip. The resilient baseplates reduce noise transmitted outside the railway but in many places the rails end up developing severe rail head corrugation and hence the awful noise for everyone on the train. |
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Post by hobbayne on Jan 27, 2021 11:29:04 GMT
Apparently there will be nothing east of Bethnal Grn that weekend. There will be a W Ruislip - Bethnal and Ealing - Liv St service.
There are some other track works at the east end of the line which will be lumped in with the Pandrol removal.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 27, 2021 12:38:46 GMT
Apparently there will be nothing east of Bethnal Grn that weekend. There will be a W Ruislip - Bethnal and Ealing - Liv St service. West Ruislip-Bethnal Green every 10min Ealing Broadway-Liverpool St every 10min White City-Liverpool St every 10min |
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Post by hobbayne on Jan 27, 2021 16:49:17 GMT
Apparently there will be nothing east of Bethnal Grn that weekend. There will be a W Ruislip - Bethnal and Ealing - Liv St service. West Ruislip-Bethnal Green every 10min Ealing Broadway-Liverpool St every 10min White City-Liverpool St every 10min I wonder if we need such an intensive service in the middle of a lockdown. Train crews from the east end of the line will have to make their way to Bethnal or Liv St on the replacement buses. |
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Post by noddymac on Jan 27, 2021 23:52:18 GMT
West Ruislip-Bethnal Green every 10min Ealing Broadway-Liverpool St every 10min White City-Liverpool St every 10min I wonder if we need such an intensive service in the middle of a lockdown. Train crews from the east end of the line will have to make their way to Bethnal or Liv St on the replacement buses. I’ll either use the District line or TfL Rail if I’m working the weekends of the closure. I work on the stations so the engineering work won’t affect me as the Central line will still be running through as usual. |
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Post by rtt1928 on Jan 29, 2021 22:39:19 GMT
Apparently there will be nothing east of Bethnal Grn that weekend. There will be a W Ruislip - Bethnal and Ealing - Liv St service. West Ruislip-Bethnal Green every 10min Ealing Broadway-Liverpool St every 10min White City-Liverpool St every 10min I seem to recall that trains can reverse at Liverpool Street via the sidings, but how would eastbound trains be reversed and sent westwards from Bethnal Green? Apologies if this question has been asked previously
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Post by DWS on Jan 29, 2021 22:47:01 GMT
West Ruislip-Bethnal Green every 10min Ealing Broadway-Liverpool St every 10min White City-Liverpool St every 10min I seem to recall that trains can reverse at Liverpool Street via the sidings, but how would eastbound trains be reversed and sent westwards from Bethnal Green? Apologies if this question has been asked previously
Via the crossover at Bethnal Green. |
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Post by rtt1928 on Jan 29, 2021 23:05:40 GMT
I seem to recall that trains can reverse at Liverpool Street via the sidings, but how would eastbound trains be reversed and sent westwards from Bethnal Green? Apologies if this question has been asked previously
Via the crossover at Bethnal Green. Thank you for for answering my question DWS. I appreciate it. |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 29, 2021 23:23:09 GMT
CartoMetro, a very useful resource for this type of query, shows there is a trailing crossover immediately west of Bethnal Green station.
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Post by alpinejohn on Jan 30, 2021 8:33:19 GMT
I do wonder whether a senior member of TFL or one of the Mayor's mates lives nearby to justify the cost and disruption to remove Pandrol fastenings simply because of noise?
Meantime Network Rail are busy installing loads of brand new ones on their latest ECML upgrades such as the Werrington dive under, which suggests their Pandrol fastenings are safe to use for trains travelling at 120mph plus!
Obviously if there was a clear safety issue to resolve with the specific versions installed by TFL then fine. But we are repeatedly being told that TFL is in dire financial straits so if this work is really only being done just because it is a bit noisy, this decision seems totally absurd.
I wonder how long it will be before this decision gets picked up by the media and the Mayor starts facing questions about exactly what is going on, why and how much has it all cost.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 30, 2021 9:20:40 GMT
I do wonder whether a senior member of TFL or one of the Mayor's mates lives nearby to justify the cost and disruption to remove Pandrol fastenings simply because of noise? Apart from the OPs hope that they would be removed, I can find no evidence this is the work being undertaken. |
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Post by North End on Jan 30, 2021 11:58:48 GMT
I do wonder whether a senior member of TFL or one of the Mayor's mates lives nearby to justify the cost and disruption to remove Pandrol fastenings simply because of noise? Meantime Network Rail are busy installing loads of brand new ones on their latest ECML upgrades such as the Werrington dive under, which suggests their Pandrol fastenings are safe to use for trains travelling at 120mph plus! Obviously if there was a clear safety issue to resolve with the specific versions installed by TFL then fine. But we are repeatedly being told that TFL is in dire financial straits so if this work is really only being done just because it is a bit noisy, this decision seems totally absurd. I wonder how long it will be before this decision gets picked up by the media and the Mayor starts facing questions about exactly what is going on, why and how much has it all cost. I wouldn’t think there needs to be anything nefarious about it. They have been the cause of an absolutely massive number of passenger complaints regarding noise, as well as a matter of dispute with drivers also over the noise. A number of things have been tried in an attempt to address this, but have seemingly failed to be effective. |
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Post by stapler on Jan 31, 2021 8:12:07 GMT
No senior member of TFL is likely to live near Wanstead. No-one there since James Holden! Let alone Bethnal Green. Aren't they all West London based?
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Post by t697 on Jan 31, 2021 9:31:57 GMT
No senior member of TFL is likely to live near Wanstead. No-one there since James Holden! Let alone Bethnal Green. Aren't they all West London based? Likely true for many. But then those of them who worked at Stratford, Endeavour Square, had the Central line as one possible route there. Right through the area of severe rail corrugation. However the Operational staff and general passenger complaints and the measured noise will, I'm sure, have been the deciders. |
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Post by roythebus on Feb 1, 2021 12:44:04 GMT
Did this work actually happen? I was driving the Sullivan buses rail replacement from Newbury Park to Shenfield this weekend and although I saw signs for CL6 replacement buses at Newbury Park there weren't any buses for that service. We were also dong Barking-Tower Hill, so it would seem a bit daft closing the Central Line from Newbury Park to Bethnal Green as well!
What I did note was mid evening a train doing a short working from Newbury Park to Leytonstone. Trains also seemed to be running through to West Ruislip and Ealing Broadway.
I'd also suggest that the corrugated railhead also causes a lot of wear on wheels and suspension on rolling stock. that is probably the real reason for repacking the fixings rather than passenger complaints about noise.
Edited to add just seen the date for this planned work is February 13th. not this weekend!
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2021 22:16:06 GMT
I do wonder whether a senior member of TFL or one of the Mayor's mates lives nearby to justify the cost and disruption to remove Pandrol fastenings simply because of noise? Meantime Network Rail are busy installing loads of brand new ones on their latest ECML upgrades such as the Werrington dive under, which suggests their Pandrol fastenings are safe to use for trains travelling at 120mph plus! This isn't about Pandrol clips - this about Pandrol Vanguard which is an integrated fastening and baseplate system:  Even if NR are installing Pandrol Vanguard, it's not a problem as long as you aren't in a deep tunnel, where the fastenings transmit the vibration into the surrounding ground which then conducts the vibration over a considerable distance. |
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Post by hobbayne on Feb 10, 2021 15:35:28 GMT
Apparently they are also lifting the redundant rails east of Epping.
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Post by Tom on Feb 10, 2021 17:39:37 GMT
Apparently they are also lifting the redundant rails east of Epping. The only redundant rails at Epping being removed are the old crossovers and trap points and a section of the old East siding closest to the buffer stop. The remainder is the overrun beyond the platforms, and not redundant. But this has nothing to do with Pandrol Vanguard, so any discussion about what's going on should be in a new thread. |
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Post by hobbayne on Feb 10, 2021 18:38:32 GMT
Apparently they are also lifting the redundant rails east of Epping. The only redundant rails at Epping being removed are the old crossovers and trap points and a section of the old East siding closest to the buffer stop. The remainder is the overrun beyond the platforms, and not redundant. But this has nothing to do with Pandrol Vanguard, so any discussion about what's going on should be in a new thread.Well, my original post was not just about the Pandrol removal, But also the engineering work at the east end of the Central Line which is covered by the closure. I will amend my thread title if you wish. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 13, 2021 9:55:10 GMT
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Post by Chris W on Feb 14, 2021 13:25:46 GMT
In an exchange of emails, a senior EOR staff member has shared (with permission to post here)...
”The works at Epping are to install a suitable buffer in the event that a Central Line train overran either of the two platforms. In addition to that there was a need to renew the tracks.
LU involved us in their plans back in July 2020 and we have worked with them to allow the works to take place, which involved access to our land at the boundary.”
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Post by sawb on Feb 14, 2021 18:15:48 GMT
Will be interesting to see if EOR take the opportunity then to extend their trains beyond Coopersale, although of course there would be no alighting or boarding possible unless and until EOR decided to build a platform near their boundary with LU
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 15, 2021 6:34:33 GMT
I assume the engineering work planned for Feb 13th is to remove these blooming things? Was this work successfully completed ? |
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Post by Tom on Feb 15, 2021 20:48:12 GMT
I'm not sure removal of them was ever on the agenda, at least not for the weekend just gone.
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Post by noddymac on Feb 23, 2021 23:07:43 GMT
No Pandrol removal, still deafening.
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Post by Chris W on Feb 25, 2021 22:07:29 GMT
Will be interesting to see if EOR take the opportunity then to extend their trains beyond Coopersale, although of course there would be no alighting or boarding possible unless and until EOR decided to build a platform near their boundary with LU Having now visited the border between LU and EOR twice.... once having walked accompanied from Ongar*.... I can promise you that there is a significant electrified distance between the EOR boundary and Epping station...
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