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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 30, 2021 14:18:10 GMT
On the same tangent, have TFL worked out how the wheelchair arrangements will apply at the curved platforms at Waterloo, because it looks like a nightmare waiting to happen. That being said, the arrangements at Bank when the 1992 stock get their wheelchair spaces will probably be even more torturous. Those stations/platforms are not available as step-free, so wouldn’t expect wheelchairs to be either getting on or off. |
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Post by Chris L on Aug 30, 2021 23:32:30 GMT
On the same tangent, have TFL worked out how the wheelchair arrangements will apply at the curved platforms at Waterloo, because it looks like a nightmare waiting to happen. That being said, the arrangements at Bank when the 1992 stock get their wheelchair spaces will probably be even more torturous. Those stations/platforms are not available as step-free, so wouldn’t expect wheelchairs to be either getting on or off. By law the trains have to be wheelchair accessible at all stations. |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 31, 2021 1:16:34 GMT
Derrogations are possible, and the station not being wheelchair accessible, and having no prospect of becoming so in the short term, would be a reasonable cause to request one (no guarantee of it being granted of course). However it is probably not impossible to design a wheelchair ramp that safely bridges the gap even at extreme stations like Bank Central line (indeed I imagine the only significant design issues will be weight and not putting the operator at risk of falling down the gap when deploying or retrieving it).
As the ramps are stored at stations there is no space or weight penalty from having different designs of ramp. If the ramp is significantly different to the standard design there will be an additional training penalty, but given most platform staff are only trained at a small number of stations and training on ramps not being the most onerous or time consuming of all station training, this is unlikely to be a bank breaking penalty.
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Post by A60stock on Nov 3, 2021 10:38:59 GMT
Any update on the refurb programme? In particular, installing the new LED lights inside the cars? I have travelled on the bakerloo line alot in recent weeks and have not come across one with the new lighting scheme. However, I have noticed that the old lighting scheme is clearly not being looked after anymore as almost half of the lights are off in some carriages!
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Post by cliffd375 on Dec 5, 2021 0:20:51 GMT
Any update on the refurb programme? In particular, installing the new LED lights inside the cars? I have travelled on the bakerloo line alot in recent weeks and have not come across one with the new lighting scheme. However, I have noticed that the old lighting scheme is clearly not being looked after anymore as almost half of the lights are off in some carriages! Only 1 three car unit (3543), and 3 four car units (3238, 3259 and 3231) have the LED lighting so far (notable with the car end lights being sealed off) From the production manager, the four car units are being done first, which each unit taking around three weeks. |
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Post by jimbo on Dec 9, 2021 23:47:17 GMT
The first Bakerloo train, with new LED lighting, was returned to service in Quarter 1. Our target of 10 trains by the end of the financial year is at risk due to trade union discussions, which prevented the project from starting onsite during the summer. These discussions have been resolved and a limited team of four installers have been permitted on site to deliver the installation on to the trains at a reduced rate while additional facilities are procured to enable full production in January 2022.
[Investment Programme Report to 16 October 2021]
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 14, 2022 16:59:34 GMT
 platform hump work at Paddington to start next week. |
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Post by t697 on Jan 14, 2022 18:37:34 GMT
What's that weird grabrail in the standback for I wonder? Who's going to use the bottom 1/3rd so close to the floor? The whole thing seems designed to stop anyone actually using the standback area for, well, standing back! Perhaps that's the intention.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 19:52:09 GMT
What's that weird grabrail in the standback for I wonder? Who's going to use the bottom 1/3rd so close to the floor? The whole thing seems designed to stop anyone actually using the standback area for, well, standing back! Perhaps that's the intention. I guess it is to help people with mobility problems, like me with arthritis. A grab rail there would certainly be a great help to me getting on and off. |
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Post by t697 on Jan 14, 2022 20:22:20 GMT
Well I'm aware of the purpose of the upper part, to assist folks boarding and alighting, but the lower 1/3rd or more seems pointless. It doesn't even match the other one on the edge of the draughtscreen in style or height.
Perhaps it's to transfer load into a strong part inside the draughtscreen? Anyway it looks a mess.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 14, 2022 20:32:48 GMT
As someone who frequently uses grab poles by train doors to help with boarding and alighting I can say that, especially when boarding from a platform lower than the train that I often end up holding the pole lower than I would have guessed. I'm about 5'5" and there are people much shorter than me who will hold poles lower than I do - I imagine also that people in wheelchairs and young children will be using the lower third - as will anybody who has been unfortunate enough to fall over near there. Finally, I'm sure even many tall able bodied people will be happy its there if there is ever a need to evacuate the train to trackside from a side door. Anyway it's much better to have more pole than needed than not enough pole.
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Post by grumpycat on Jan 15, 2022 13:41:06 GMT
platform hump work at Paddington to start next week. Where are TfL planning to fit the PIS screens? |
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Post by alpinejohn on Jan 16, 2022 19:25:31 GMT
Does published information confirm that refurbished trains now entering service with LED lighting will also feature new AC motors - or is that a separate project/timetable?
I am also in two minds over whether adding humps to platforms is the right approach. Yes it offers a cheaper and potentially quicker fix but looking to the distant future I guess all deep tube lines will progressively move over to operating some variant(length) of the proposed new Piccadilly tube stock.
Presumably the new stock will arrive with full walk through access, and potentially allow as close as possible level boarding along the entire length of the platform, rather than a short hump section.
I really hope whoever is engaged to install them has made provision for their easy removal so that accessible boarding to new trains can happen along the whole train length. Sadly it looks like the shared BR section of the Bakerloo will inevitably mean some sort of mixed compromise platform height.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 16, 2022 20:09:00 GMT
Does published information confirm that refurbished trains now entering service with LED lighting will also feature new AC motors - or is that a separate project/timetable? 1972 Stock will not be receiving AC motors. |
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Post by Chris L on Jan 16, 2022 20:19:23 GMT
Does published information confirm that refurbished trains now entering service with LED lighting will also feature new AC motors - or is that a separate project/timetable? I am also in two minds over whether adding humps to platforms is the right approach. Yes it offers a cheaper and potentially quicker fix but looking to the distant future I guess all deep tube lines will progressively move over to operating some variant(length) of the proposed new Piccadilly tube stock. Presumably the new stock will arrive with full walk through access, and potentially allow as close as possible level boarding along the entire length of the platform, rather than a short hump section. I really hope whoever is engaged to install them has made provision for their easy removal so that accessible boarding to new trains can happen along the whole train length. Sadly it looks like the shared BR section of the Bakerloo will inevitably mean some sort of mixed compromise platform height. The future trains will have wheelchair positions. These will require humps at the appropriate points on the platform. You can't raise the whole platform as people will be hitting their heads on the cross passages. |
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Post by metman on Jan 16, 2022 21:32:57 GMT
An interesting modification. The panel eats into the doorway and door glazing! I’m sure it will be helpful to many people. Looks like the gauges had to be moved.
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 17, 2022 1:19:57 GMT
I really hope whoever is engaged to install them has made provision for their easy removal so that accessible boarding to new trains can happen along the whole train length. Sadly it looks like the shared BR section of the Bakerloo will inevitably mean some sort of mixed compromise platform height. For some stations longer platforms with LU and LO stopping areas could be possible. But not everywhere! Because it originally had two centrally located bay platforms Willesden Junction possibly could be rebuilt with two double sided island platforms (one side LU, other side LO, so that each island platform serves just one direction of travel). This work would require the newish toilets to be relocated and platforms widened at the northern end. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 25, 2022 12:11:32 GMT
Staff update on '72 Stock RVAR works:
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Post by jimbo on Feb 26, 2022 2:36:33 GMT
"variations in build between different trains meaning one size of equipment definitely does not fit all!" Is this referring to Mark I and Mark II build differences? Or does it mean that they were coach-built, such that each craftsman interpreted the plans differently?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 26, 2022 3:50:32 GMT
"variations in build between different trains meaning one size of equipment definitely does not fit all!" Is this referring to Mark I and Mark II build differences? Or does it mean that they were coach-built, such that each craftsman interpreted the plans differently? Definitely coach-built. I remember going on various visits in the early-90s to see the refurbishment of 1967/72 (Leicester), A (Derby) and C (Doncaster) Stock and was explained that all were built with slight variations, necessitating wide blanking strips to be placed over panel joints to hide the differing widths. A particular problem that wasn’t anticipated until refitting began with freshly manufactured standard part sizes. |
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Post by bomo on Feb 26, 2022 8:38:00 GMT
"variations in build between different trains meaning one size of equipment definitely does not fit all!" Is this referring to Mark I and Mark II build differences? Or does it mean that they were coach-built, such that each craftsman interpreted the plans differently? Definitely coach-built. I remember going on various visits in the early-90s to see the refurbishment of 1967/72 (Leicester), A (Derby) and C (Doncaster) Stock and was explained that all were built with slight variations, necessitating wide blanking strips to be placed over panel joints to hide the differing widths. A particular problem that wasn’t anticipated until refitting began with freshly manufactured standard part sizes. Every time anyone starts a rebuilding project on older stock be it LU or main line, the press releases always give the impression of them being surprised that all examples of said stock are roughly the same and not exactly the same. You'd think that would be anticipated but we often see that the rebuild of <whatever> is running x months late because "when we took two apart, they were different".
I appreciate it's impossible to legislate for every conceivable difference between every pair of notionally identical vehicles/cars, but at the very least you'd hope some variance in principal dimensions was expected and planned for in any rebuild project.
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Post by joeltancl on Jun 25, 2022 12:37:52 GMT
Are there any updates?
Meanwhile, tomorrow marks 50 years since the first train of '72Mk1 Stock entered service on the Northern line...
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 25, 2022 17:21:45 GMT
Saloon conversion to LED lighting continues at a steady pace. At least eight 4-car units and four 3-car units now completed |
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Post by joeltancl on Jun 26, 2022 10:56:18 GMT
Saloon conversion to LED lighting continues at a steady pace. At least seven 4-car units and four 3-car units now completed I see. What about the work to add wheelchair spaces and visual passenger info systems (discussed earlier in this thread)? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 24, 2022 17:09:15 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 14, 2022 7:25:42 GMT
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Post by joeltancl on Oct 14, 2022 9:14:37 GMT
I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of it out and about ... |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 14, 2022 13:27:59 GMT
I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of it out and about ... I look forward to 'encountering' it whilst 'out & about' Bond Street Elizabeth line opens in 10 days from now, I might invest in a paper ODTC ticket as it will make life easier to hang about somewhere whilst waiting for it. |
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Post by Chris L on Oct 15, 2022 12:14:36 GMT
I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of it out and about ... I look forward to 'encountering' it whilst 'out & about' Bond Street Elizabeth line opens in 10 days from now, I might invest in a paper ODTC ticket as it will make life easier to hang about somewhere whilst waiting for it. Good luck with getting one. Southeastern have withdrawn them. Disappearing fast. |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 15, 2022 13:19:58 GMT
Good luck with getting one. Southeastern have withdrawn them. Disappearing fast. Chris, what is "Disappearing fast"? The paper one day Travelcard tickets? I do not recall anything about this actually happening (maybe a topic for a different thread?) Simon |
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