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Post by Chris L on Oct 15, 2022 17:52:12 GMT
Good luck with getting one. Southeastern have withdrawn them. Disappearing fast. Chris, what is "Disappearing fast"? The paper one day Travelcard tickets? I do not recall anything about this actually happening (maybe a topic for a different thread?) Simon Paper one day travelcards for now. The view is that they can be used for fraudulent travel. Just read a piece about TfL reviewing travel for over 60s but it also stated that the TfL were considering withdrawing from Travelcards as the TOCs are believed to receive more from the settlements. I imagine this could worsen with the full Elizabeth line operation. |
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Oct 16, 2022 19:29:37 GMT
Is there a fixed date for when the first refurbished train will enter service?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 16, 2022 19:49:21 GMT
Is there a fixed date for when the first refurbished train will enter service? Post on 14 October tells you that the first refurbished train has already entered service. |
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Oct 16, 2022 20:01:27 GMT
Apologies. Missed that one. 😂
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Post by exwatfordian on Oct 22, 2022 20:31:12 GMT
Which unit number is the PSVAR compliant train that has just entered service?
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 23, 2022 8:37:13 GMT
Trailer car 4534 of 3-car unit 3534
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 24, 2022 20:00:57 GMT
I travelled on a 1972ts train with LED lights today, and also a different train with mostly not working non-LED lights. I will have some photos but probably tomorrow. At the moment they are still on my cameras!
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Post by dmncf on Oct 25, 2022 21:36:59 GMT
If the TfL report is to be believed, I'm surprised that nobody has yet posted any photos of the modified Bakerloo Line train in service. |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 25, 2022 23:19:21 GMT
I've only seen a train with LED lights - when these trains were built such lights were science fiction, I remember (in the 1980s) asking a model railway shop which sold red green and amber LED lights when they would be getting white ones, only to be told 'never' as the boffins say that such are impossible! btw, a train really was in service with that many lights not working! twitter.com/citytransportin/ status/1585047226883112962 |
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Post by dmncf on Nov 11, 2022 15:01:20 GMT
Has the modified train really manage to elude photographers for a month since it "entered service"? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Nov 11, 2022 16:50:35 GMT
Worth noting that with the full 31-train service running, you have a 3.2% chance of finding the train. And that’s assuming it’s in service at all on a given day which for operational/testing/maintenance reasons may not always be the case. Click here if link does not appear |
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Post by dmncf on Nov 11, 2022 18:03:01 GMT
I'll keep my eyes peeled. Thanks for posting this.
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Post by quario on Nov 15, 2022 1:43:08 GMT
Wait, are new announcements being recorded?
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 19, 2022 21:11:08 GMT
A few pictures from the completed unit:
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Post by quario on Nov 24, 2022 17:12:51 GMT
Looking good. And weren't dot matrix displays planned? Is that not happening anymore?
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Post by goldenarrow on Nov 24, 2022 17:35:58 GMT
Yes they are planned and are going to be fitted. There’s another unit (4532) that has been kitted out with those modifications and is going through equivalent rounds of testing.
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Post by Chris L on Nov 24, 2022 19:35:37 GMT
Dot matrix displays are so last century. Much better to be fitting LED displays as on the Class 345 trains.
Red or orange on black can't be seen by many colour blind people.
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Post by 100andthirty on Nov 24, 2022 20:34:51 GMT
As I understand it, the flowery shirt brigade (aka TfL design) wanted to maintain the dot matrix look and feel that's present on all the other fleets (and also going in on the Central line)
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Post by Chris L on Nov 24, 2022 21:14:33 GMT
Their usual lack of customer focus.
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Post by Alight on Nov 24, 2022 22:50:47 GMT
I'm only guessing but aren't dot matrix cheaper than the LCD screens? They probably want to minimise costs, especially as these are was beyond half-life refurbishments.
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Post by t697 on Nov 25, 2022 6:53:48 GMT
Yes, and don't forget the purpose here is to get these trains RVAR compliant. You can do that with dot matrix displays specified properly. Typically with yellow or orange LEDs. The additional flexibility that modern displays bring such as integrating real time information updates probably isn't needed here because the scope probably doesn't include the means to transmit that to the trains and use it.
Generally easier to comply with the RVAR regs as currently written using DMIs too.
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Post by Chris L on Nov 25, 2022 8:38:22 GMT
As I said upthread red and orange on black can't be seen by many colour blind people.
White on black is now available and being used on Network Rail.
If a job is worth doing it's worth doing well.
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Post by Chris M on Nov 25, 2022 13:19:10 GMT
I remember reading somewhere (possibly elsewhere on this forum) that even getting basic DMIs to work on these trains was a massive job as they were never designed with anything even remotely similar in mind - there was only just enough power to run the saloon lighting, let alone multiple displays and the unit(s?) required to drive them. Getting anything like a modern LED to work would likely have required a lot more time and money (if it was even possible), neither of which could be justified for a fleet this old even if more of both were available.
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Post by A60stock on Nov 25, 2022 16:54:03 GMT
DMIs were installed inside of the 73 stock quite easily and this was over 20 years ago. Surprised to hear its so different on the 72s
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Post by t697 on Nov 25, 2022 20:34:55 GMT
I don't think it is much different for 72TS, hence the use of simple DMIs. Much less optioneering needed about what to actually display too.
Also saves the "Wow, first time on LUL" factor for the modern displays on Picc 24TS.
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Post by Chris M on Nov 25, 2022 21:29:30 GMT
DMIs were installed inside of the 73 stock quite easily and this was over 20 years ago. Surprised to hear its so different on the 72s I believe that the 1973s are a significantly more modern stock than the 1972s (which are effectively just 1967s with manual driving). The simple DMIs were also installed on the 73s as part of a major refurb when multiple other aspects of the trains were being upgraded at the same time anyway so "easy" is a relative term. |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Nov 25, 2022 22:58:13 GMT
I rode on one of the units with upgraded lighting earlier tonight - it's somewhat comforting to see the lights dim when going over complicated pointwork, even if they don't extinguish.
The lights above the doors didn't get affected however, this happened with the older lights too - why is that?
If I remember correctly, aren't they installing a "battery reserve" too? This may have been answered up-thread but will this be able to support both the lights and the DMIs when going over points?
Hoping the system doesn't get too cranky over getting effectively plugged out and plugged in again during use...
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Post by jimbo on Nov 25, 2022 23:22:32 GMT
So, the 72TS is based on a near 60-year-old design, the last development from 38TS, whilst the 73TS was a first electronic design only some 50 years old! TfL are still hoping for funding to continue the new Picc train build for the Bakerloo, so the 72TS may only have a few more years to run! But then again, money isn't so easily found these days.
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Post by quario on Dec 2, 2022 18:04:14 GMT
Hmm. When would we see the train with the dot matrix display in service?
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Post by jimbo on Dec 8, 2022 0:51:23 GMT
Work has continued on ongoing heavy overhaul activities. There has been some disruption to materials supply due to challenges with suppliers, but this is expected to be recovered by the end of the financial year. Fitting new LED lighting on
10 of 36 Bakerloo line trains was completed at the end of September as planned. We expect to complete the full fleet in 2024 calendar year.
Passenger information prototype system testing for the Bakerloo line fleet is progressing, and materials have been procured for the next train installation at Stonebridge Park.
[TfL Investment programme report 26 June 2022 – 17 September 2022]
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