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Post by grumpycat on May 9, 2021 23:13:49 GMT
Apologies if this is in another thread but has any 710s entered service on the NLL yet?
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Post by quex on May 10, 2021 8:31:16 GMT
I don't think the 5-car Class 710/3 units destined for the North London Line have actually been built yet. I believe some of the 378s displaced off the Watford DC have made their way onto the NLL though. Edit: Thread on RailForums says that several 5-cars have indeed been built, and delivered, and run as test trains (apologies for the misinformation). |
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Post by vincenture on May 10, 2021 13:35:08 GMT
Didn't know NLL can fit 5-car 710s
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 10, 2021 14:16:43 GMT
Didn't know NLL can fit 5-car 710s 5-car 378 and 5-car 710 are almost the same length |
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Post by Chris L on May 10, 2021 15:52:47 GMT
Didn't know NLL can fit 5-car 710s 5-car 378 and 5-car 710 are almost the same length The new trains for the Euston-Watford service are 4 car and are to allow 378s to pass to other Overground lines. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 10, 2021 16:06:18 GMT
5-car 378 and 5-car 710 are almost the same length The new trains for the Euston-Watford service are 4 car and are to allow 378s to pass to other Overground lines. quite correct and the additional trains 710374-710379 for NLL and WLL are 5-car . |
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Post by dazz285 on May 11, 2021 7:15:39 GMT
Currently, there are three 5 car class 710's at Willesden
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Post by spsmiler on May 12, 2021 22:47:01 GMT
Maybe when the timetable is fully restored (next week) these new train will be needed and hence enter passenger service.
Or is it that the trains need testing on the NLL / WLL and the drivers need training?
Or even could it be that the 710's will not be needed until the 378 refurbishment and painting to the new livery restarts?
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Post by dmncf on May 20, 2021 12:31:51 GMT
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Post by A60stock on Jul 15, 2021 13:04:42 GMT
are 5 car 710s running on the Watford DC still? Will these be made permanent?
What will happen to the class 378s which still run on the line? Surprised that there is a mix of stock used as I was under the impression the 710s were to take over the entire service.
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Post by Chris L on Jul 15, 2021 19:29:24 GMT
are 5 car 710s running on the Watford DC still? Will these be made permanent? What will happen to the class 378s which still run on the line? Surprised that there is a mix of stock used as I was under the impression the 710s were to take over the entire service. The plan was that four car 710s will be on the Watford DC trains with an extra train every hour. Five car trains will run other the other Overground lines. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 15, 2021 22:26:31 GMT
are 5 car 710s running on the Watford DC still? Will these be made permanent? What will happen to the class 378s which still run on the line? Surprised that there is a mix of stock used as I was under the impression the 710s were to take over the entire service. I’m sat next to 710 376 stabled at Watford Junction as I type this… so yes! |
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Post by andypurk on Jul 15, 2021 22:33:08 GMT
are 5 car 710s running on the Watford DC still? Will these be made permanent? What will happen to the class 378s which still run on the line? Surprised that there is a mix of stock used as I was under the impression the 710s were to take over the entire service. The plan was that four car 710s will be on the Watford DC trains with an extra train every hour. Five car trains will run other the other Overground lines. I've seen 710/3 units running on the DC line at least until last week (didn't travel on Monday) and the service is currently curtailed at Kilburn High Road due to the flooding and so I have not noticed any 710/3 running so far this week. With the currently commissioned 710/2 fleet (some units have not yet made it to London), there are insufficient 4 car dual-voltage 710 units to run all of the DC line (8 units needed) and GOBLIN (6 units needed) services including maintenance spares. Some of the 710/2 are also in service on the lines out of Liverpool Street, hence the use of the five-car 378s units on the DC line has to continue at least until all the class 710 are available. Currently, it makes little difference whether the five-car 710/3 units run on the DC line (allowing the cascade of the remaining 378s) or on the North London Line. However, for the short term at least, running on the DC line would mean less staff training is needed as the type already runs on the route. It will be interesting to see if any increase in demand for the DC line trains, due to the Bakerloo being thinned out, means that five car units are needed here anyway. It struck me as quite strange that TfL decided to replace a three trains per hour service of five car units with a four trains per hour service of four car units as this gave very little increase in capacity and the trains can get quite busy especially when there are problems on the mainline. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 19, 2023 13:19:58 GMT
5-car unit 710376 has been observed in service on the North London Line today
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Post by metman on Jun 21, 2023 18:47:15 GMT
My office is close to Harrow and Wealdstone and I regularly see 4 car 710s, 5 car 710s and 5 car 378s! It’s certainly good variety.
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 5, 2024 23:34:32 GMT
Shock horror, I got to ride in one - my first 710/3
(For many months, even several years, I've travelled on 710/1 and 710/2 trains on other Overground routes but today was my first 5 car North London Line 710)
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2024 21:28:21 GMT
I’ve not seen a 378 on the DC (Lioness) line for a while now.
Assume they have all relocated to the other routes?
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Post by lukeo on Feb 25, 2024 22:20:28 GMT
I think I may have seen a 378 last week on the Lioness, heading in the other direction, but otherwise always see 710s.
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Post by xtmw on Feb 26, 2024 20:04:16 GMT
Are there any plans for the 710s to go on the Windrush? (ELL)
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Post by Dom K on Feb 26, 2024 21:47:19 GMT
Are there any plans for the 710s to go on the Windrush? (ELL) This is not possible due to the 710s not having an escape route via the cab which is required in the tunnel section. This is why the 378s have this design |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 27, 2024 14:51:16 GMT
I agree with you and understand the ruling and how it affected the Metropolitan Railway in north London.
But in the long period of time after the 710's had been delivered but could not be used I saw at least one of these trains which were being stored in the Willesden Junction area was showing New Cross as a destination!
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Post by andypurk on Feb 28, 2024 21:52:44 GMT
Are there any plans for the 710s to go on the Windrush? (ELL) This is not possible due to the 710s not having an escape route via the cab which is required in the tunnel section. This is why the 378s have this design I see this explanation given, however 710s are apparently OK for the single-bore Kensal Green and Primrose Hill tunnels on the Euston - Watford line, whilst the Brunel tunnel on the East London line does actually have access between the two tracks. Of course, different rules may apply for Network Rail & TfL infrastructure. Of course, there isn't actually any need for the 710s to go to the ELL line as they can displace class 378 units instead giving savings on clearance and crew training costs. |
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Post by alpinejohn on Feb 29, 2024 9:21:59 GMT
" ... I see this explanation given, however 710s are apparently OK for the single-bore Kensal Green and Primrose Hill tunnels on the Euston - Watford line, whilst the Brunel tunnel on the East London line does actually have access between the two tracks. Of course, different rules may apply for Network Rail & TfL infrastructure..." The difference is those tunnels are wide enough to incorporate some sort of rudimentary escape path running through the tunnel. Where this happens you will also see that there are lights kept on inside the tunnel 24/7.
The presence of those walkways means passenger trains using the tunnel do not need end doors.
If it proved necessary to evacuate a train the driver can just open the doors on the relevant side and then advise passengers to walk out of the tunnel following the marked escape route. A quick search on Google has plenty of images of the kensal green tunnel mouths and if you look closely you can see the narrow walkway.
As for primrose hill - I assume you mean the tunnels on the Watford DC local line tunnel under Camden Bank these again have lighting and a rdudimentary walking route. this can be seen briefly right at the start of this video and between 5 and 6 minutes into the cab ride video with the Kensal Green tunnel passed around 13:30 - 14 minutes in the video
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Doubtless in any future tunnel works (like the extension to Battersea Power Station) HSE would probably insist that tunnels and any escape route was made wide enough for wheelchair access/egress.
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