Bakerloo regular users section with the Watford DC

[A60stock]

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The shared section probably hosts what I would now say is the largest contrast between two stocks travelling on the same line within London in terms of age gap and rolling stock condition. There is almost half a century between the 72 stock and the class 710s and on top of this, the 72 stock is in close to original condition and also not in the best state cosmetically. The introduction of the 710s will no doubt have placed greater notice to commuters on how old the 72 stock actually is (I would guess that many are probably confused as to why the overground keeps on getting new stock, (slam door stock > 313 > 378 > 710), whilst the underground stock has stayed the same.

Do commuters ever have a preference for one stock over the other on the shared section? Do people often let a 72 stock go in order to use a 710 (or vice versa). I can imagine in summer, the 710s would be a preference!

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[jimbo]

The 1972 stock was really the last version of the 1938 tube stock concepts, before the introduction of the early electronics era with 1973ts. Their internal appearance was drastically changed with refurbishment in the early 1990s, before which they resembled the first Victoria Line trains from which their design was adapted.

[Chris M]

Jan 6, 2022 16:29:53 GMT goldenarrow said:

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To help people find this thread in the future, it might be good to add the word "Bakerloo" into the title somewhere now it isn't on that board.

[Dom K]

Jan 7, 2022 13:17:16 GMT Chris M said:

Jan 6, 2022 16:29:53 GMT goldenarrow said:

<<Thread moved to reflect thread more generally covering Rolling Stock - goldenarrow>>

To help people find this thread in the future, it might be good to add the word "Bakerloo" into the title somewhere now it isn't on that board.

Done, thanks for the suggestion

[londoner]

Many years ago I used to live in Wembley when I was a boy. I was not a regular commuter but I used to prefer the old silverlink trains, simply because taking a train was a "different experience" in my young mind than taking the "bog standard" tube. We (my mother and siblings) always got off at Queen's Park to continue our journeys. It was only much later when I returned to Wembley and started travelling on my own that I used to venture into Euston!

I did use the old Wembley Central station once to take a Southern train to Kensington. I remember the extremely narrow steps down to the platform from inside the foyer. At the time there was a foyer/ passageway outside the main tube station which provided access to the mainline platforms. Now of course it is integrated within the tube station and although access is blocked off when no trains are due, the stairs were upgraded. 

[norbitonflyer]

Jan 6, 2022 16:29:53 GMT A60stock said:

The introduction of the 710s will no doubt have placed greater notice to commuters on how old the 72 stock actually is (I would guess that many are probably confused as to why the overground keeps on getting new stock, (slam door stock > 313 > 378 > 710), whilst the underground stock has stayed the same.

Actually the U&ndergro9und stock has not stayed the same, as the Bakerloo was still using 1959 stock when the Class 501s were withdrawn in 1985 (and had only recently withdrawn its last 1938 stock)

[metman]

Yes that’s right I believe. The 1959 stock started to replace the 1938 stock in 1982 and the last 1938 stock left the line in 1985. The 1959 stock started to return to the Northern in about 1988 when the 1972mk2 returned to the Bakerloo. This was then refurbished in the early 1990s.

Of course the 1972 stock has been upgraded a fair bit it’s just that passengers won’t see all the chassis upgrade works that took place several years ago. They will have an upgrade soon though with accessible zones being added to the 45XX trailers in each train.

I personally love the 1972s. I much prefer them to the modern Overground stock which are less interesting. But that’s me- I’m a bit of an oddball. My wife prefers the modern stock especially if our son is in tow in his pram! The secret is though, he also loves the 1972s - especially the camshaft noise and hum of the motors!