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Post by silenthunter on May 14, 2022 21:10:19 GMT
A number of the route signs show the BR symbol against this station. Surely that's incorrect?
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Post by Chris L on May 14, 2022 21:27:46 GMT
A number of the route signs show the BR symbol against this station. Surely that's incorrect? It's the National Rail symbol. London Overground (East London line) is part of the national network. |
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Post by MoreToJack on May 14, 2022 22:17:15 GMT
A number of the route signs show the BR symbol against this station. Surely that's incorrect? It's the National Rail symbol. London Overground (East London line) is part of the national network. As will be Crossrail/Elizabeth line in 10 days time! |
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Post by t697 on May 15, 2022 16:22:24 GMT
That's a bit odd though. Elsewhere, where the Elizabeth line is added to interchange lists the NR double arrow isn't present unless there is an NR service there too, not TfL branded in some way.
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Post by londoner on May 15, 2022 16:47:21 GMT
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Post by bicbasher on May 15, 2022 22:17:08 GMT
NR purists will be happy that there's NR branding at Whitechapel.
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Post by brigham on May 16, 2022 7:45:41 GMT
Is there any clarity on the issue, or is it just another source of confusion for the traveller?
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Post by DWS on May 16, 2022 8:04:47 GMT
A number of the route signs show the BR symbol against this station. Surely that's incorrect? Does any one have a photo of this sign ? |
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Post by silenthunter on May 16, 2022 8:15:55 GMT
It's at Upminster Bridge. Will take a photograph if I think of it.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 16, 2022 9:07:50 GMT
one-off errors creep in occasionally, the recent pic of updated Whitechapel WB District stations, including Elizabeth line interchanges BUT with 'Elizabeth line' and 'Overground' at Ealing Broadway!
Overground interchanges shouldn't have a BR/NR double-arrow.
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Post by rincew1nd on May 16, 2022 9:25:19 GMT
Speaking of occasional oversights, here's a tweet featuring a sign containing both Elizabeth Line and Connex(sic).
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Post by MoreToJack on May 16, 2022 10:19:31 GMT
Speaking of occasional oversights, here's a tweet featuring a sign containing both Elizabeth Line and Connex(sic).
Not to mention the London Arena, which was demolished in 2006. It if, of course, an EL sticker over an older enamel diagram, before anyone gets too excited. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 16, 2022 13:34:21 GMT
It's at Upminster Bridge. Will take a photograph if I think of it.   early-2000s New Johnston sign, updated with 'Elizabeth line' but without Overground at Barking, West Brompton, Olympia, Gunnersbury (retains BR/NR symbol); no boat symbols |
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Post by t697 on May 16, 2022 15:34:06 GMT
Yes, not had a thorough update has it!
Just a not quite right Whitechapel one plus Paddington and Ealing Broadway which correctly do have the double arrow.. Perhaps the fitting instructions for Whitechapel were not clear that the EL and Overground should have been applied over the double arrow. Unless it was wrong before and the new label covers an intermediate Overground one that should have been over the double arrow.
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Post by DWS on May 16, 2022 15:57:36 GMT
It's at Upminster Bridge. Will take a photograph if I think of it. early-2000s New Johnston sign, updated with 'Elizabeth line' but without Overground at Barking, West Brompton, Olympia, Gunnersbury (retains BR/NR symbol); no boat symbols DLR missing at West Ham . |
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Post by t697 on May 16, 2022 16:02:46 GMT
And while we're picking holes, at the top of the panel I'm surprised Upminster hasn't got a double arrow. Less surprised it hasn't acquired an Overground.
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Post by brigham on May 17, 2022 8:15:59 GMT
I suppose we ought to be grateful for the retention of the old BR symbol, rather than the corporate identities of each passenger service operator.
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Post by roythebus on Aug 29, 2022 21:37:11 GMT
NR purists will be happy that there's NR branding at Whitechapel. Whitechapel Station was jointly owned with the LTSR and later the LMS and BR.  |
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Post by miff on Aug 31, 2022 8:42:12 GMT
I suppose we ought to be grateful for the retention of the old BR symbol, rather than the corporate identities of each passenger service operator. When the formation of Great British Railways was announced an 'updated version' of the logo was promised. At the moment GBR're using the existing version on their transition-team website ( gbrtt.co.uk/ ) but - be afraid. |
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Post by Chris L on Aug 31, 2022 9:49:49 GMT
I suspect the original sign predates Overground and has been updated with vinyl add ons.
In the past experienced sign companies were used to do this kind of work. Probably goes to the cheapest now.
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 31, 2022 10:10:31 GMT
Whitechapel didn’t have national rail services before the coming of the Overground, though…
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Post by stapler on Aug 31, 2022 12:41:52 GMT
I suppose, to be pedantic, it was only as late as 1933 that LT took over passenger services on the ELL, and on the Whitechapel and Bow, were some of the District EMUs not owned by the LM&S till nationalisation?
And of course through excursions from Loughton to Eastbourne etc also passed through the ELL till the line between Liverpool St ES and Shoreditch was lifted in the mid-60s.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 31, 2022 20:43:12 GMT
I suppose, to be pedantic, it was only as late as 1933 that LT took over passenger services on the ELL, and on the Whitechapel and Bow, were some of the District EMUs not owned by the LM&S till nationalisation? And of course through excursions from Loughton to Eastbourne etc also passed through the ELL till the line between Liverpool St ES and Shoreditch was lifted in the mid-60s. I thought that it was the Metropolitan Railway who electrified the ELL, and from then on provided the local all stations* passenger service, which untill WW2 included through trains from Hammersmith (Met). I wonder whether they electrified this route because of what happened in Liverpool where the Mersey Railway became bankrupt because passengers so disliked the steam locomotive hauled journey through the tunnels below the river Mersey that they chose to continue travelling on the Mersey Ferry, even though it was a slower travel option. After bankruptcy the line was bought by Westinghouse who electrified it - and the service became so successful that it still exists today, as part of the Merseyrail Wirral line. *Longer distance excursion passenger trains remained steam powered, which must have been an unpleasant choking experience. |
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Post by stapler on Sept 1, 2022 8:58:17 GMT
The steam powered excursions, and transfer and other goods, were worked over the ELL with condensing tank engines, that had to hook on in LV. Not to say that would have been pleasant (except for ferroequenologists).
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