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Post by greggygreggygreg on May 30, 2022 21:52:14 GMT
My (under 16) child is going on a school trip. They have a Zip 11-15 Oystercard with the PTAC All Rail discount loaded, so technically this cannot be used for such a purpose.
Can a child discount be added to a normal Oystercard for them to use? I see stuff on the TfL website about a Visitor Oystercard having a child discount loaded for 14 days, but can this discount be loaded onto a normal Oystercard?
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Post by MoreToJack on May 30, 2022 23:25:59 GMT
Yes, 'Young Visitor' discount can be added to an ordinary blue (or other publicly issued variation) Oyster, in theory by any member of station staff in the same manner as other discounts.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on May 31, 2022 7:32:55 GMT
Yes, 'Young Visitor' discount can be added to an ordinary blue (or other publicly issued variation) Oyster, in theory by any member of station staff in the same manner as other discounts. Thanks for your response. There's no silly terms like they have to travel with an adult or anything that's missing from the website? I'm not willing to rely on the information on the website, as it reckons you can get a penalty fare if you try and tap off when you're getting off a bus! |
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Post by MoreToJack on May 31, 2022 10:07:21 GMT
Not to my knowledge, although I caveat I haven’t been on stations for a number of years now.
The relevant staff document regarding the discount states:
I would take this to mean that there is no need for the child to be accompanied once the discount has been set.
Arguably tapping out on a bus does apply a penalty fare, especially if the Hopper time limit is reached. It may only be the cost of a single journey, but it is an additional fare charged for making a mistake. Penalty fares do not need to have a fixed value, and are not fines - minimum/maximum fares for tapping in and out incorrectly on the Tube could also be considered penalty fares.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on May 31, 2022 14:10:14 GMT
Not to my knowledge, although I caveat I haven’t been on stations for a number of years now. The relevant staff document regarding the discount states: I would take this to mean that there is no need for the child to be accompanied once the discount has been set. Arguably tapping out on a bus does apply a penalty fare, especially if the Hopper time limit is reached. It may only be the cost of a single journey, but it is an additional fare charged for making a mistake. Penalty fares do not need to have a fixed value, and are not fines - minimum/maximum fares for tapping in and out incorrectly on the Tube could also be considered penalty fares. Hopefully I'll be able to find someone who will set the discount without them present, especially if I explain the situation and present their Zip Card. Otherwise I may as well just have the PTAC discount removed from the Zip Card TfL do seem to make things unnecessary complicated and convoluted |
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Post by AndrewS on Jun 1, 2022 14:06:36 GMT
Are you sure the Priv All Rail discount isn't valid for a school trip? I can't see that's any different from going to/from school itself, which my son did for 7 years without me thinking it wasn't allowed. The only limitation I'm aware of is that it's for "leisure purposes only" which broadly excludes travelling to a paid job but nothing else I can think of.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Jun 1, 2022 19:43:44 GMT
Are you sure the Priv All Rail discount isn't valid for a school trip? I can't see that's any different from going to/from school itself, which my son did for 7 years without me thinking it wasn't allowed. The only limitation I'm aware of is that it's for "leisure purposes only" which broadly excludes travelling to a paid job but nothing else I can think of. Its the old British Rail boxes, and I'm pretty sure they only allow leisure travel, which precludes use for educational purposes. Although I expect there'll be a miniscule risk of its misuse being detected for a one-off use such as this, rather than regular travel at the same time between the same places everyday. I'll double-check the T&Cs, as I'll always prefer to use travel facilities correctly, as you may be correct EDIT: having read the T&Cs, it states it cannot be used when travelling for from a permanent residence to a permanent place of education. It states its for leisure use only, but doesn't state anything about my particular enquiry. I suppose the nearest it could be considered to with an adult would be 'duty travel', which would not be allowed with leisure facilities. But I seriously doubt any TfL official would know the T&Cs, let alone he was using staff travel facilities, because as far as I'm aware the gates only highlight its a child ticket, not one further discounted by something else as well (someone can correct me if I'm wrong)? So to me it seems to be a grey area, as educational purposes aren't prohibited, but commuting is (and travelling to school is part of the definition of commuting) www.raildeliverygroup.com/files/Publications/services/rst/RST_Where_Can_I_Go_SG_v19.pdf |
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