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Post by 1972stock3567 on Mar 5, 2023 10:33:45 GMT
I have been puzzled for years on end now of which scale this Realtoy/Feva 1992 stock is. It seems to fit nicely on 00 guage track but the bogies are non turnable and the actual wheels are a bit smaller than 00 guage. So if I just take out the old chassis and replace it with an 00 guage one with new bogies will it work? ![]() |
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Post by burkitt on Mar 6, 2023 14:07:37 GMT
Motorising a Realtoy 92TS is definitely an interesting project, I've not seen it done before. The scale of the Realtoy 92TS model is about 1:100, vs OO being 1:76. OO/HO motor bogies are a tight fit in tube stock at that scale already, so fitting one into a model at a smaller scale would be tricky. TT 1:100 scale / 14.2mm gauge would be right for this model, though it's a niche scale. The 3mm scale society makes track bits, and can buy Halling motorbogies for that gauge, but I don't know if you'd get one to fit inside the body given its low roof height. Alternatively you could use the old Triang approach of 1:100 scale on 12mm gauge track to make use of the wider availability of commercial track and mechanisms for that gauge. Mechanisms meant for 12mm gauge, 1:120 scale models might fit better within a tube train body too. |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 8, 2023 10:37:06 GMT
There are three of these being sold on an eBay auction. All are DM with cab at one end. I'm tempted to get this and have one as a static vehicle with the DM part sticking out of a tunnel mouth! Maybe emulate the 1959ts train named Ned and paint a face on it.
If I could get the doors to open (I suppose that requires cutting with a hacksaw) then possible uses include a visitor centre, ticket sales booth, or a cafeteria's weather protected seating at a heritage railway station...
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Post by 1972stock3567 on Mar 8, 2023 20:10:32 GMT
Ahh I think I know where you are seeing the 3 DM's being sold on Ebay. Feva 00 scale London Underground tube train 3 cars if I am correct? Because I am planning to get those too lol
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Post by 1972stock3567 on Mar 8, 2023 20:13:38 GMT
Motorising a Realtoy 92TS is definitely an interesting project, I've not seen it done before. The scale of the Realtoy 92TS model is about 1:100, vs OO being 1:76. OO/HO motor bogies are a tight fit in tube stock at that scale already, so fitting one into a model at a smaller scale would be tricky. TT 1:100 scale / 14.2mm gauge would be right for this model, though it's a niche scale. The 3mm scale society makes track bits, and can buy Halling motorbogies for that gauge, but I don't know if you'd get one to fit inside the body given its low roof height. Alternatively you could use the old Triang approach of 1:100 scale on 12mm gauge track to make use of the wider availability of commercial track and mechanisms for that gauge. Mechanisms meant for 12mm gauge, 1:120 scale models might fit better within a tube train body too. Hmm. Interesting. Defo feels like an 00 guage unit to me tho. |
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Post by burkitt on Mar 9, 2023 9:20:10 GMT
However the model feels, it is not OO.  The EFE 59TS above is OO / 1:76. The 92TS is considerably smaller in every dimension. At 160mm long, it's pretty much spot on for a 1:100 scale model of the 16.25m long 92TS. Regarding opening the doors, the bodyshell is fairly thick diecast metal. They could be cut away with a hacksaw or slitting disc, but the door leaves would not survive in useable form, so new ones would need to be made from styrene etc to represent them in the open position. |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 11, 2023 13:39:02 GMT
In the end I did not even bid for these 1992ts models, I hesitated when I read what burkitt said about them having thick metal sides. (Thanks for that info, very much appreciated). Instead I went for the five 1959ts / 1962ts cars. It was a fight.. every time I tried to place a bid I found that a previous bid amount had gone up and I think my last bid (for £160) was milliseconds too late. But that did not matter - I won the auction getting them for £156 and some pence (38p I think). Considering that this was for five items of rolling stock plus two Tenshodo motors - which can easily cost £40+ each - I think I did very well. If these has been 1938ts they would have cost £100+ extra! I am undecided what to do next. I only really wanted a 4 car train, so might sell one. On the other hand, if modelling sidings I would need something to put there! --------------------------- edit to add, I'm peeved, there was an automatic bot bidding and in the last minute or so it pushed the price up by approx £40! |
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Post by metman on Mar 11, 2023 22:59:27 GMT
Glad you were finally successful. I plan to convert a 1959/62 non driving motor into a 1949 uncoupling non driving motor for my 1938 stock set. The square door tops are ideal to reflect the 1949 cars.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 12, 2023 20:18:03 GMT
Thats a thought, but what I bought is 4x DM and 1x T. Zero UNDMs.
From the photos I could tell that at least one DM is 1959 and one is 1962. This is because of the placement of the red light next to the twin white lights.
However, the other two DMs were at an angle that did not show that part of their fronts.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 12, 2023 20:40:20 GMT
There were no 1959/62 UNDMs!
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 13, 2023 16:56:55 GMT
There were no 1959/62 UNDMs! What is the abbreviation for trailer motor cars? Just NDM? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 13, 2023 17:21:37 GMT
What is the abbreviation for trailer motor cars? Just NDM? mixing your metaphors, a motor car without a cab is a NDM Non Driving Motor a motor car without a cab but is capable of being uncoupled from its partner is a UNDM Uncoupling Non Driving Motor a car without motors is a T Trailer a car with a cab but without motors is a CT Control Trainer |
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Post by metman on Mar 13, 2023 21:32:22 GMT
There were no 1959/62 UNDMs! What is the abbreviation for trailer motor cars? Just NDM? It is unfortunate that EFE decided to use the term motor trailer for the non-driving motor car. |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 16, 2023 19:07:59 GMT
Glad you were finally successful. I plan to convert a 1959/62 non driving motor into a 1949 uncoupling non driving motor for my 1938 stock set. The square door tops are ideal to reflect the 1949 cars. I've seen a 1938ts non-driving motor on eBay! (technically it has to be a 1949 car but .....) |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 16, 2023 21:00:12 GMT
Thats a thought, but what I bought is 4x DM and 1x T. Zero UNDMs. From the photos I could tell that at least one DM is 1959 and one is 1962. This is because of the placement of the red light next to the twin white lights. However, the other two DMs were at an angle that did not show that part of their fronts. These have now arrived. I can see why they were 'sold as seen'! The roofs have been repainted with brush marks in all directions and some visible brush bristles too. One DM is missing a bogie Some of them have had their sides repainted with roundel symbols added too. There is more... |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 17, 2023 6:16:27 GMT
I've seen a 1938ts non-driving motor on eBay! (technically it has to be a 1949 car but .....) Why technically a 1949 car? 4-car 1938 Stock units contained a NDM car. |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 17, 2023 11:11:13 GMT
I'm not sure why (something I read somewhere?) but I was under the impression that 1938ts NDM's were only built after the war
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Post by metman on Mar 17, 2023 12:48:52 GMT
Yes the 1949 stock was built after the war but most of the 1938 stock was build before and during the war and introduced during and after war which was a difficult time.
The 1949 stock was basically a 1959 stock with different bogies. The door tops were flat and latching (no leather adjustment strap!)
The bogies were noticeable with the bay window missing and the suspension coil visible. The UNDM also had beamless shoegear like the R stock until about 1960.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 17, 2023 18:24:56 GMT
So the original 1938 stock order made up trains from two units leaving two middle driving cabs coupled face to face, just as 1959/62TS. This left a dead section at the middle of platforms with no passenger doors, better than standard stock which had equipment compartments there also. Post War fleet reorganisation, to incorporate the 1935 prototype cars and spare cars from the 9-car train experiment, led to 1949 stock deliveries which introduced UNDM cars to take the place of some of these middle cab cars, as I recall.
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