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Post by plunet on Oct 13, 2023 11:12:20 GMT
Seems like something has gone very wrong with the Met Line today with the entire line shut down. Does anyone have a clue what has gone wrong?
Even with recent random performance they usually try to keep something even when it's all going wrong, but for the moment it looks like that they've given up completely on running a service. Even the Chilterns are stopped and their advice is not to expect anything until at least 1430.
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Post by xtmw on Oct 13, 2023 11:45:35 GMT
I imagine it's something serious which has prevented the service from running entirely. It originally started with a suspension between Harrow-on-the-Hill, Uxbridge, Watford, Chesham & Amersham, then the service was suspended entirely.
The National Rail website quotes 'A fault with the signalling system between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Amersham means all lines are blocked. Trains running through these stations could be cancelled, delayed up to 90 minutes or revised. The Metropolitan Line is entirely suspended.'
For example, a shortage of control room staff, alongside the signalling problems at Harrow on the Hill could also have triggered a service wide suspension.
If it's something a points failure and the points have to be locked to a specific route, then they would try and keep a service running. Obviously something serious might have happened with the signalling up at Harrow-on-the-Hill, which has resulted in a whole line suspension. It's really just the service controllers on doing what is best for the Metropolitan Line. Obviously they have decided a suspension is best until things are resolved.
I have 0 clue what has happened, maybe one of our valued fourm members who work on the Underground can provide some insight.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 13, 2023 12:47:50 GMT
Everything was moving ok until 10.56, when everything stopped around Harrow, power surge blew multiple safety fuses.
11.45 stalled UP Chiltern train sent back wrong-road from North Harrow to Moor Park, complete 12.15
Several MET trains recovered to nearest platform, using wrong direction movements.
13.30 shuttle operating Watford-Amersham/Chesham
14.15 clear signals obtained at Harrow.
SB trains start running, 14.50
NB trains resume 15.20
Chiltern resume through Harrow 15.30
faulty cabling was the root cause, now replaced.
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Post by class411 on Oct 13, 2023 13:08:53 GMT
Unlucky.
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Post by DWS on Oct 13, 2023 13:41:44 GMT
Why would a problem at Harrow prevent the service operating between Aldgate and Wembley Park ?
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Post by A60stock on Oct 13, 2023 13:53:35 GMT
I'm no expert here but I presume its probably easier to suspend the service rather than run one at short notice between a section which is already served by the Jubilee and Circle/H&C. It's different to when there are actually planned works preventing services north of Wembley.
Either way, this won't really help many people much at all as they're as many, perhaps most, will be going north of Wembley, where the are no alternative options without the Met.
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Post by xtmw on Oct 13, 2023 13:58:55 GMT
Network Rail say they won't be able to run Chiltern Railway services 'at least until 16:30'
TfL website:
Metropolitan Line: No service between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Uxbridge / Aldgate / Moor Park due to a signalling systems failure at Harrow-on-the-Hill. SEVERE DELAYS on the rest of the line. London Underground tickets accepted on Buses and Chiltern services.
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Post by wonderwaller on Oct 13, 2023 14:10:32 GMT
I don’t know for definite but my guess would be loss of the Signal main around Harrow
Again can’t comment on decisions over shuttles but crew reliefs and availability and possibly protection requirements for track access all likely to be reasons why
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Post by plunet on Oct 13, 2023 14:41:21 GMT
Seems there is some service resumption, friend is on a southbound met now heading into Harrow on the Hill.
TfL now saying
Metropolitan Line: No service between Aldgate and Baker Street, northbound only, and SEVERE delays on the rest of the line while we fix a signal failure at Harrow-on-the-Hill. London Underground tickets accepted on Buses and Chiltern services
So whatever it was they've managed to limit the impact to trains going into (probably) platforms 3 and 4, hopefully Chilterns can run north through P1?
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Post by plunet on Oct 13, 2023 15:29:12 GMT
Well whatever it was, they've either slapped it, kicked it, dried it out, or nursed it back into life.
Metropolitan Line: Severe delays due to an earlier signal failure at Harrow-on-the-Hill. London Underground tickets accepted on Buses and Chiltern services.
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Post by xtmw on Oct 13, 2023 15:32:36 GMT
What a day for the Met! It will be interesting to hear what happened
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Post by a60 on Oct 13, 2023 18:54:05 GMT
I was stuck on a train between Harrow and North Harrow for a good while. Whatever happened, it must have been a pretty catastrophic failure for it to end up going as it did. However, full credit to the driver of our train who kept calm, in control of the situation and did her best to keep us informed of developments as they happened.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 14, 2023 19:49:17 GMT
a60 if you haven't already, I encourage you to submit your feedback about your driver via the TfL website as that way it is guaranteed to find its way to the relevant person (and their manager iirc).
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Post by a60 on Oct 14, 2023 22:35:27 GMT
a60 if you haven't already, I encourage you to submit your feedback about your driver via the TfL website as that way it is guaranteed to find its way to the relevant person (and their manager iirc). The feedback form has a technical problem at the moment, but will try again in the morning. Thanks for the suggestion Chris, it would have totally skipped my mind otherwise. |
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Post by jimbo on Oct 14, 2023 22:44:25 GMT
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Post by plunet on Oct 15, 2023 10:54:54 GMT
Yes, well I kinda did that on purpose. I recall there was a similar complete unscheduled closure of the Met quite a few years back and after the event I heard it was a significant electrical failure in the Harrow Signal Box, on that day I recall the service was restored very late into the evening having been out most of the day and very few final trains ran. Out of interest how far is the northern parts of the met away from being resignalled, I loose the plot on the detail of the dates. |
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Post by DWS on Oct 15, 2023 21:56:33 GMT
Does Harrow on the Hill still have a Technical Officer in a depot next to the signal cabin ?
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Post by roythebus on Oct 16, 2023 7:31:17 GMT
Presumably what prevents Met trains terminating at Wembley Park is the difficulty in crossing over the Jubilee Line then under the underpass to Neasden depot then bang road to Wembley Park southbound?
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 17, 2023 14:12:51 GMT
Mod comment [goldenarrow]: Some posts relating to 4LM resignalling timescales have been moved to the 'SSR Resignalling' thread in SSR Group Discussion
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Post by version3point1 on Oct 24, 2023 3:22:51 GMT
Does Harrow on the Hill still have a Technical Officer in a depot next to the signal cabin ? Still up there in the other room across the corridor from the frame. |
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