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Post by silenthunter on Nov 16, 2023 21:25:53 GMT
Are there any plans to renew the moquette on these trains soon? The seats are looking rather worn now.
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Post by Chris L on Nov 17, 2023 6:19:52 GMT
Are there any plans to renew the moquette on these trains soon? The seats are looking rather worn now. The moquette used was very poor quality compared to the traditional Underground material. |
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Post by class411 on Nov 17, 2023 10:02:02 GMT
Are there any plans to renew the moquette on these trains soon? The seats are looking rather worn now. The moquette used was very poor quality compared to the traditional Underground material. Is that the way they are going, now, or was it a blip? |
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Post by Chris L on Nov 17, 2023 10:31:02 GMT
The moquette used was very poor quality compared to the traditional Underground material. Is that the way they are going, now, or was it a blip? Do procurement people ever consider the medium/long term implications of buying cheap? |
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Post by d7666 on Nov 17, 2023 13:18:05 GMT
The moquette used was very poor quality compared to the traditional Underground material. Is that the way they are going, now, or was it a blip? Some S stock units have been in service 13 years now. Are we sure "traditional Underground material" lasted 13 years without signs of wear ? 13 years approaches the nominal "traditional" 40 year book life of such assets. Are we sure that "traditional" LU stock only got re-upholstered twice in their working lives - once at 13/14 years, once at 26/27 years ? |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 17, 2023 13:32:40 GMT
Do procurement people ever consider the medium/long term implications of buying cheap? In at least some cases they do. However, the decision on what to purchase is a combination of upfront cost, expected life and budget available at the time of purchase. In some cases the extent to which the various factors can be considered are limited (intentionally or otherwise) by procurement rules. For example, Product A is half the price of Product B but is expected to last only one third as long. In the abstract you would expect any sensible decision maker to purchase Product B, however they may only have the budget for Product A. Alternatively and/or additionally, if purchasing the more expensive product requires writing an extensive justification of the decision but purchasing the cheaper product does not this creates a disincentive to choosing the option with better long-term value, particularly if the person/team responsible for writing the justification is overworked. These effects are magnified if the expected life of both products is longer than the current budgetary period, increasing roughly proportionally with the difference between the two (e.g. 20 years is a lot longer ahead when working to 5 year budgets than to 10 year budgets) |
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Post by Chris L on Nov 17, 2023 17:50:38 GMT
Is that the way they are going, now, or was it a blip? Some S stock units have been in service 13 years now. Are we sure "traditional Underground material" lasted 13 years without signs of wear ? 13 years approaches the nominal "traditional" 40 year book life of such assets. Are we sure that "traditional" LU stock only got re-upholstered twice in their working lives - once at 13/14 years, once at 26/27 years ? There were bald patches within a couple of years. Traditional Underground seats used leather on some areas prone to damage. They were also looked after and splits in the fabric were repaired. To be fair it has been suggested that the rivets in jeans is part of the problem with the new moquettes. |
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Post by towerman on Nov 17, 2023 17:56:33 GMT
Is that the way they are going, now, or was it a blip? Some S stock units have been in service 13 years now. Are we sure "traditional Underground material" lasted 13 years without signs of wear ? 13 years approaches the nominal "traditional" 40 year book life of such assets. Are we sure that "traditional" LU stock only got re-upholstered twice in their working lives - once at 13/14 years, once at 26/27 years ? Seats were recovered on HO at Acton works every 5-6 years |
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Post by d7666 on Nov 17, 2023 21:30:59 GMT
Seats were recovered on HO at Acton works every 5-6 years Kind of thought it had to have been something like that. |
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