1938 Stock Railtours Summer 2024

[spsmiler]

The LTM has announced some heritage train journeys using the 1938ts train for summer 2024.

Acton Town - Oakwood Piccadilly line on Sunday 9th June

The Uxbridge branch on Saturday and Sunday 20th / 21st July

Heathrow loop on Saturday and Sunday 10th / 11th August

Amersham Special on Saturday and Sunday 7th / 8th September

More information:
www.ltmuseum.co.uk/whats-on/heritage-vehicle-outings

[spsmiler]

I am happy to say that the event for Sunday 9th June is now sold out (happy because by being 'sold out' helps justify staging the event).

People wishing to see the train during the day may be pleased to note that the LTM webpage includes the journey times, although there is always a possibility of early or late running as per the demands of the day.

I speak from personal experience, for instance arriving at a station platform 10 minutes before its expected time - only to see the rear car leaving the station and disappearing into the darkness of the tunnel.

[rincew1nd]

Jun 2, 2024 18:36:14 GMT spsmiler said:

People wishing to see the train during the day may be pleased to note that the LTM webpage includes the journey times, although there is always a possibility of early or late running as per the demands of the day.

I speak from personal experience, for instance arriving at a station platform 10 minutes before its expected time - only to see the rear car leaving the station and disappearing into the darkness of the tunnel.

Quite, this is why forum rule 7.1 exists:

Sept 19, 2008 12:14:04 GMT Admin Team said:

7.1 (Unusual Train Movements)

This forum does not actively encourage the posting of the timings for unusual train movements for the following reasons:

• (7.1a) The information is usually available only within documents marked 'for internal use only'
  
• (7.1b) The timings can never be guaranteed - in fact these sort of movements often don't happen at the times published, if at all
  
• (7.1c) Making the details of such movements public could cause issues with unplanned overcrowding at stations or other locations

[spsmiler]

Yes, I understand about this rule. This explains why I did not quote the LTM timings here and 7.1b exactly explains why I added my own personal experience.

However this train making these journeys is somewhat different to (for instance) the weed killing train's travels around the network. This is partly because the 1938ts train will be carrying passengers and largely because the London Transport Museum put some of its expected timings into the public domain. I suspect that the LTM actively want the kind of public awareness that rule 7.1 is designed to prevent. Especially at the location(s) where they will be running a 'pop-up' retail shop.

Regarding the (over)crowding issue, from experience during other similar events many people coming to see the train is highly likely at the start and end points (some - but by no means all - of these being the passengers on the train), whilst moderate numbers of people wanting to see the train also attend the other stations that it passes through. Typically this will include some station staff who themselves are keen to see it - and help ensure that all goes well whilst the train passes through 'their' station.

The numbers of people involved are usually far smaller than those who attended the 'Steam On The Met' services for events such as LU150, Steam On The District, etc.,  when the platforms became really crowded with people wanting to see the train.

[njr001]

Sadly tomorrow's outing has been cancelled.

[grumpycat]

Cancelled as apparently it's been vandalised/graffitied

[spsmiler]

oh no, thats a shame

Also a pain for me as I was intending to go to see it - instead of the 4TC set on the North Norfolk Railway.

The only saving grace is that I had not bought my paper One Day Travelcard in advance.

[mikesos]

Well they couldnt take it out today due to the 38 stock train being vandalised......these vandals should be made to put right what they destroyed or named and shamed its a real pity that this happens maybe in the future put the train somewhere secure before hand with a guard so it doesnt get damaged by people who dont care...

[jimbo]

Was this attack arranged to sabotage the trip? Any other day would have had little consequence.

[jimbo]

Surprised they can still schedule trips during the Picc Line Upgrade, and so close to arrival of the first new train.

[DWS]

The new Piccadilly Line trains are unlikely to arrive this year, they will have a Tripcock and the only upgrade to Signals are the provision of a Co-Acting signal in advance of of existing signals, this work is done in Engineering Hours, so no effect on running the 1938 Tube Stock on a Sunday.

[miff]

Jun 9, 2024 10:11:50 GMT jimbo said:

Was this attack arranged to sabotage the trip? Any other day would have had little consequence.

It might, depending on the time and un-budgeted cost of fixing the damage. Not knowing the extent of damage I hope this incident doesn’t impact on the other planned dates this summer.

[Chris L]

Jun 9, 2024 10:00:15 GMT mikesos said:

Well they couldnt take it out today due to the 38 stock train being vandalised......these vandals should be made to put right what they destroyed or named and shamed its a real pity that this happens maybe in the future put the train somewhere secure before hand with a guard so it doesnt get damaged by people who dont care...

I think the time has come to make graffiti on property criminal damage and sentence accordingly.

[Chris M]

Jun 9, 2024 10:11:50 GMT jimbo said:

Was this attack arranged to sabotage the trip? Any other day would have had little consequence.

While I don't know any details I would be surprised. It is more likely to be a crime of opportunity

[d7666]

Jun 9, 2024 18:43:20 GMT Chris M said:

Jun 9, 2024 10:11:50 GMT jimbo said:

Was this attack arranged to sabotage the trip? Any other day would have had little consequence.

While I don't know any details I would be surprised. It is more likely to be a crime of opportunity

Indeed.

People look far too deeply into things.

As I often write, apply Occams Razor : the simplest explanation is the most likely.

[Tom]

Jun 9, 2024 10:11:50 GMT jimbo said:

Was this attack arranged to sabotage the trip? Any other day would have had little consequence.

More likely that the perpetrator wanted to get some 'standing' in the graffiti community - there is reportedly a degree of status that comes from attacking unusual rolling stock. I recall similar notoriety was to be had for the first person who attacked an S stock over a decade ago.

Jun 9, 2024 14:42:49 GMT Chris L said:

[I think the time has come to make graffiti on property criminal damage and sentence accordingly.

Is it not already?

According to the Criminal Damages Act 1971, graffiti can warrant a fine of £5,000 for damage or potentially, the person carrying out the graffiti could receive a community service order for young offenders. Cases with damages exceeding £5,000 will be referred to the Crown Court.

from Bloomsbury Law. The Sentencing Council also details the range of available sentences.

Admin note: Members are reminded of the forum's rules relating to discussion of graffiti. This is another reason why we do not encourage the posting of unusual stock moves which are not advertised by London Underground.

[elo10538]

Sadly you have to question the wisdom of stabling the Heritage 38TS on a outside siding rather than inside the Depot Sheds or in fact, still inside the Acton Depot. This used to happen before railtours in the past, so the chance of criminal damage to the 4car unit was minimised. The risk was obviously taken and perhaps operational expediency was the motivating factor.Only those in the know, know. How much bad press has been gained and good will lost I wonder.

[Dstock7080]

www.ltmuseum.co.uk/whats-on-calendar/heritage-vehicle-outings/heritage-train-journeys-summer-special

Saturday 20 July 2024
Sunday 21 July 2024
The route for this event is return trips from Uxbridge to Harrow-on-the-Hill.

Tickets
Adults: £28.50
Concessions: £20
Children 4-17: £15
Children (under 3): Free, no ticket required

The route for this event is between Uxbridge to Harrow-on-the-Hill return and runs for around 45 minutes.
Please note that the doors will only open at Uxbridge.
You can book from the return journey options

[jimbo]

FOI request - Photos of the vandalised 1938 Tube Stock - Request ID: FOI-0823-2425 - Date published: 27 June 2024 link

Nothing disclosed:

TfL is keen to ensure that such acts are not advertised or encouraged in any way.

[rincew1nd]

Rightly so.

[spsmiler]

Someone posted this photo of the 1938ts Heritage train to Twitter / X (not my photo),
(btw, to get the image to show up I used the 'Twitter.com' url as X.com does not work)

[brigham]

I'm hoping the Heathrow Loop trip takes place.
It's my recollection that this famous stock was deliberately kept out of Heathrow when the extension first opened.

[wonderwaller]

Probably worth noting here that due a signal failure at Ickenham on Sunday 21st the 38 was diverted to Amersham and back think it was the first trip so those passengers definitely got value for their money

[Dstock7080]

Jul 23, 2024 7:32:36 GMT brigham said:

I'm hoping the Heathrow Loop trip takes place.
It's my recollection that this famous stock was deliberately kept out of Heathrow when the extension first opened.

1938 Stock were withdrawn from the Piccadilly before the Heathrow Central extension was opened, they did run to Hatton Cross.

[brigham]

My recollection is clearly faulty.

What am I mis-remembering? 1938 stock was kept out of SOMEWHERE due to narrow-minded publicity people.

[hounddog]

Did the 38s ever run on the Jubilee or were they confined to the Bakerloo after the split?

[jimbo]

Public service on the Jubilee Line was never provided by 38ts, but before official opening crew training trips down the new line often operated with 38ts. From opening the two fleets were kept separate.

[towerman]

In the first week of the Jubilee opening there was a major disruption on the Bakerloo,half the 38TS stabled at Neasden overnight.

[towerman]

At the start of the Jubilee Line there was a trainman’s depot at BakerSt,duties included doing Bakerloo and Jubilee trips.

[spsmiler]

Jul 23, 2024 7:32:36 GMT brigham said:

I'm hoping the Heathrow Loop trip takes place.
It's my recollection that this famous stock was deliberately kept out of Heathrow when the extension first opened.

I did that one a few years ago - its great because you get to sample the train both in daylight and in the tunnels - something that does not apply on the Amersham and Uxbridge runs.