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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 17:39:19 GMT
Does anyone know whats happened at Holland Park EB this afternoon Sept 12th. The press reports are filled with conjecture, speculation and half-stories, seems there is not enough info yet. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6991061.stm |
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 12, 2007 17:44:43 GMT
The Central line was suspended around 0920, [maybe earlier] between Marble Arch and White City [both roads] due to a defective train at Holland Park E/B.
I dont know what happened, but I believe the ERU [emergency response unit] was in attendance, so I could hazard a guess as to what happened, but due to this forum being watched by several people [Evening Standard] I wont.
A fire alert at Epping caused it to be suspended from Loughton-Epping a little later.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 18:05:29 GMT
Don't look at me!
Well, all I can say is that is two trains out for repairs!
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 20:34:47 GMT
Well the line is now suspended between Leytonstone and West Ruislip and between Hainault and Woodford, cause stated as earlier defective train at Holland Park. TFL site also suggests that there may be disruption on Thursday. What's going on?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 20:39:36 GMT
It's been a fun day!
I think it'd just be better to scrap the fleet now. We can have the 09ts instead!
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 20:48:06 GMT
I assume that the service suspension has been caused by stock being withdrawn for checks - I can see no other reason for suspending the service over such a large area.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 20:54:38 GMT
Replacement Buses are now on standby for the east end of the Central tomorrow (thurs).
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 20:58:37 GMT
It's been a fun day! I think it'd just be better to scrap the fleet now. We can have the 09ts instead! Think they are now paying the price for ordering trains on the cheap . . . how many more blows can the 92 TS take - I know the Mile End derailment wasn't down to a train fault, but it's just another nail in the coffin for this stock. I don't see these trains lasting 30+ years somehow. And if the ERU were there, that's not good news. |
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 21:04:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 21:06:10 GMT
wach bbc london (on now) there is an television article about it
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 21:32:41 GMT
wach bbc london (on now) there is an television article about it Just seen that, thanks. Mention was made of a device that picks up current falling off . . . that also shpwed clips of the Evening Standard headline boads with "faulty brakes" mentioned! Have to say, TFL don't help matters by keeping quiet . . . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 21:39:58 GMT
Rail Accident Investigation Board will be eyeing the site, so an investigation snippet will go up on their site, followed by the actual report some 14 months time.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 21:43:41 GMT
Rail Accident Investigation Board will be eyeing the site, so an investigation snippet will go up on their site, followed by the actual report some 14 months time. Did the train derail then . . . RAIB, ERU all involved etc . . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 21:47:36 GMT
Don't know if the train ended up on the deck yet... Will keep pegging the grapevine.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 21:53:28 GMT
I suppose that because it was leaving the station, it wasn't going that fast so it may not have been obvious to passengers if it had derailed. Report also mentioned that ASLEF / RMT have instructed drivers not to take trains out until they have been checked. Strange, then, that there is a service running from Leytonstone to Epping and Hainault- thought the whole line would have been shut.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 21:59:38 GMT
This might just be to get the last few trains in bed. I expect there to be a stand off in the days to follow, hence the 'buses on standby'...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 21:59:53 GMT
Have to say, TFL don't help matters by keeping quiet . . . From speaking to collegues, it seems what has occurred is pretty widely known amongst staff.... so it will leak out, especially if the RMT are supporting their members in refusal to drive trains as per the BBC article. In view of the present company interest in staff postings I'm not going to be the one to say word for word ! However most of it is now surmised in this thread ! |
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Post by jamesb on Sept 12, 2007 22:06:05 GMT
Traveling to and from Leicester Square, I heard a few different announcements referring to the reason for the Central Line suspension.
- A defective train at Holland Park.
- For safety reasons.
- Due to the earlier incident at Holland Park.
- Due to technical difficulties.
And the TfL information line talked about 'the earlier incident at Holland Park'.
I hadn't heard about anything until hearing all these different announcements - I suppose they are all right, but I became very curious to find out what actually happened!
Has anyone actually officially said if the problem was with the train, or the signaling system?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 22:16:08 GMT
I wonder why such a large area of suspension was needed - was it not possible to simply suspend between North Acton and Holborn, make the faulty train safe for restricted manual, then reverse it at Queensway and put it away at White City?
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Post by jamesb on Sept 12, 2007 22:20:10 GMT
Is it possible that one train got a little too friendly with the train in front??  And could the wide suspension be related to a defective train possibly damaging the track over that distance, or because it is possible a bit of the train fell off somewhere along the way? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 22:20:53 GMT
I guess sections are closed, because they are checking the tracks the faulty train passed over... in CASE some EQUIPMENT fell off previously.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 22:21:40 GMT
This might just be to get the last few trains in bed. I expect there to be a stand off in the days to follow, hence the 'buses on standby'... It's been like that since 8.00pm - I was in the car at about 7.15pm, when BBC London said that the line had just been suspended from White City to Leytonstone. Then, about half an hour later, it had been extended to Ruislip / Ealing to Leytonstone. Are there any T/OPs who are not part of ASLEF / RMT, or are those trains being driven by managers? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 22:23:27 GMT
Depot Engineers are probably chaperoning the last few trains back to bed for the night... Pure speculation, but I wouldnae go anywhere the damn things knowing what I know now...
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Post by jamesb on Sept 12, 2007 22:25:22 GMT
Oh dear, the beloved '92 stock. I feel quite attached to it for some reason! Maybe it's because I spend every day around sick people! Sick trains, sick people - same thing ;D ;D
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 22:26:19 GMT
I guess sections are closed, because they are checking the tracks the faulty train passed over... in CASE some EQUIPMENT fell off previously. Would have thought that the train would have worked east of Leytonstone at some point before the incident this morning, yet these sections haven't been suspended. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 22:29:43 GMT
Probably came out of Hainault round the Chigwell loop [hence its closure] and into service that way!
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2007 22:32:56 GMT
Probably came out of Hainault round the Chigwell loop [hence its closure] and into service that way! Maybe! ;D ;D In that case, they would have to suspend Leytonstone to Loughton then! Would be ironic if this train did start from Hainault depot via Grange Hill, because that's where the Mile End derailment train started from! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 22:35:04 GMT
Be even more ironic if it was train 117...
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Post by jamesb on Sept 12, 2007 22:36:00 GMT
Probably came out of Hainault round the Chigwell loop [hence its closure] and into service that way! There aren't that many through trains in the morning, are there? I can always catch one just after 0735 or around 0800 from RV. I'm sorry for you, as a Top on the Central Line - such unreliable trains are a hastle, but safety issues, if this is one, must be unsettling. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 22:37:40 GMT
The straw that broke the camels back...
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