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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2006 18:10:12 GMT
Hi All, I've just added a photo to my "London Transport" collection on my fotopic site: geoff-plumb.fotopic.net/p34708143.htmlThis picture is of the "50 Years of the Met Electrics" celebration brakevan special which ran sometime during the summer of 1972. However, my notes of the period are rather sketchy and I do not know the actual date it ran. Does anyone know the date so that I can update the caption with a more accurate version? I do have more shots of this special which I will add when I get the time... Thanks in anticipation, Regards, Geoff |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2006 18:28:18 GMT
Ohhhhhhhhh........ if only No.5 was still serviceable  |
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 2, 2006 18:33:07 GMT
There were two tours, one on 16th July and one on 10th September.
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Post by Oracle on Oct 2, 2006 19:01:07 GMT
This was before my time, just! You might always try the Library at LURS... www.lurs.org.uk for any such info. However TP is always a fount of date knowledge [**BOWS**]. Poor Mr Hampden...I gather he had a cracked frame so was sidelined? I was reliably informed by the Brake Block Test Team in '79 that they ahem! swapped parts from No 5 with those on No. 12, No 5 being in the Museum by then! With hindsight, I am sure that as with the Class 40s, modern technology would enable the frame to be repaired. Can anyone answer a query? As regards the lot of locos sent to Derby that sat around doing nothing for ages, were the motors actually used by BR? I read that they were similar to SR 4-SUB motors, and were to be used as spares. |
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Post by Tubeboy on Oct 2, 2006 19:10:30 GMT
I have a DVD [Think its London's lost underground trains, Online video]
It shows No 5 [John Hampden] on the Chesham branch with a down through working, in pouring rain, great sequence.
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 2, 2006 19:42:44 GMT
Can anyone answer a query? As regards the lot of locos sent to Derby that sat around doing nothing for ages, were the motors actually used by BR? I read that they were similar to SR 4-SUB motors, and were to be used as spares. The locos which went north went to Killamarsh near Chesterfield for scrapping. Their bogies were recorded as going to the SR to use the motors as spares. |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 2, 2006 20:00:56 GMT
Which were the ones at the Railway Technical Centre, RUGBY please? Quaerae whether the motors were ever used?
Duh! Sorry TP!
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Post by mandgc on Oct 3, 2006 0:45:50 GMT
The Pic. between Wem.Pk and Preston Rd shows what appears to be the old Substation. What is this building used for now ?
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 3, 2006 6:12:52 GMT
Which were the ones at the Railway Technical Centre, Derby please? Quaerae whether the motors were ever used? I couldn't find a reference to Derby in the K Benest book on them. Some went to Rugby - Nos 2, 7, 16 & 18 but nothing is said about Derby. I don't know about the motors either. Not quite the font of knowledge you suggested  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2006 9:51:54 GMT
The Pic. between Wem.Pk and Preston Rd shows what appears to be the old Substation. What is this building used for now ? A substation? I think there are still power cables and things connected to it... |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 3, 2006 10:03:57 GMT
I forgot about Ken Benest! Names flood back after so long, and I knew them all in LURS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2006 11:59:03 GMT
There were two tours, one on 16th July and one on 10th September. Hi, Thanks for all the replies - the one in question would be the 16th July tour as I was on my way back from 3 weeks of "bashing" steam in South Africa on 10th September! I'll update the caption accordingly and look out some more shots of the tour - thanks again. Regards, Geoff |
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Post by CSLR on Oct 3, 2006 13:00:34 GMT
I forgot about Ken Benest! Dear old Ken. I probably spent months of my life (if not years) huddled over books in libraries with him, from the old British Railways Board Records Office at Paddington (where records for LT and its predecessors used to be kept), through GLC Records at County Hall, the old Public Records Office in Chancery Lane and on to the new PRO at Kew, etc, etc. He is the man who showed me how to find what I wanted and, if I ever asked him a question to which he did not know the answer, he would often surprise me by appearing behind me some days later with an opened book and mutter in his fake library whisper, "Is this what you were looking for?" He had a passion for the Met and knew its history inside out, but he still had time for those of us with other interests. I really miss Ken. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2006 18:21:53 GMT
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Post by mandgc on Oct 6, 2006 23:39:45 GMT
'A Substation ? " (Reply # 9 )
It has,obviously, been rebuilt since I last saw it. In my time Substations didn't have any windows !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2006 21:33:04 GMT
A lot of Holden substations have windows - Chiswick Park substation has quite a few windows...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2006 18:04:25 GMT
Hi, Me again... I've added another shot of the Met Electrics tour: geoff-plumb.fotopic.net/p34924659.htmlwhich according to my rudimentary notes at the time is at Eastcote. I would be very grateful if someone was able either to confirm this or correct it if it is somewhere else. I'm not sure as there is a gasometer in the far distance which could be the one near Northolt that used to have "NO" written on it in large letters! The train at the time was en route from Uxbridge to Acton Town. Thanks in anticipation once again  Regards, Geoff |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Oct 8, 2006 18:11:05 GMT
which according to my rudimentary notes at the time is at Eastcote. I would be very grateful if someone was able either to confirm this or correct it if it is somewhere else. Nice shot Geoff, but it's Sudbury Town eastbound. Eastcote is on an embankment IIRC. - Wrong, just checked the map it's in a cutting. |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 8, 2006 20:26:52 GMT
And why did it have "NO" written on it?
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NO HEATHROW PLANES HERE,
NORTHOLT AERODROME
Northolt used London Approach and the inevitable has happened: two 707s landed by mistake, one after being lightened flew out and the other was taken apart reputedly. There was also the gasometer at Southall which was pased by planes landing on Heathrow's cross runway.
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Post by Tom on Oct 8, 2006 21:40:55 GMT
Likewise the Southall Gas Holder still has 'LH' and an arrow painted on it pointing towards Heathrow.
I've never landed from that direction though, is it a common occurance?
(Oh and anyone who hasn't taken a trip over London in darkness is missing out)
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Post by Oracle on Oct 9, 2006 7:45:30 GMT
Runway 23 I think it was was taken out of use last year. I distinctly remember it as I lived in Hounslow West and had friends who lived in Heston, so it was interesting to see. It was when closed used by 0.1% of traffic! There was also a take-off faciility of course, and at one time a reciprocal element and a parallel runway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2006 10:32:49 GMT
Nice shot Geoff, but it's Sudbury Town eastbound. Thanks for that - I'll amend the caption (and my notes!) on my site. It still begs the question - where exactly was the gasometer? Or is it still there? Questions, questions! Regards, Geoff |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 9, 2006 10:36:02 GMT
Wasn't it orignally for the Harrow Gasworks in South Harrow? It was in fact South Harrow Gasometer...Southall Gasometer was used as a lining-up point for Heathrow. I gather it has now gone. Hasn't Southall's also gone? I remember it well when I was a volunteer inthe GWRPG in the old Wall's margarine shed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2006 10:51:15 GMT
Yes, you could well be right - I seem to remember that type of gasometer in South Harrow which would be in the right direction from Sudbury Town to be the one in the picture.
I haven't been to that area in years - is the gasometer still there?
Thanks for that,
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Post by agoodcuppa on Oct 9, 2006 10:55:09 GMT
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Post by Oracle on Oct 9, 2006 16:49:39 GMT
Southall's gasometer from the railway bridge. I have always assumed that the carsellated building was once a water tower. www.southallgasworks.com/cresfrombridge.htmI have seen an old aerial photo showing how the Harrow Gasworks was connected to the UndergrounD but cannot locate it! This is an aerial as of today: www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.56678&lon=-0.353245&z=16.1&r=0&src=2You can pan down to see Eastcote station or pop acrss to see Northolt from the air. The gasworks closed in 1954 it seems, and the siding became disused. This is the only photo I could find, which is of Northolt Road in 1965, with that gasometer in view in the top left corner:  I tried to paste the link only but only part of the address is accessible ...perhaps a Mod could have a go at posting a link instead? |
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Post by mandgc on Oct 9, 2006 23:26:42 GMT
South Harrow Gas Works had a High Level connection off the viaduct from the Rayners Lane direction.
Two crossovers on the main Line allowed the loco to run round.
It was controlled by a local Ground Frame originally but was afterwards remotely controlled from the 'new' Rayners Lane SB about 1936.
Goods trains ran from Harrow on the Hill Yard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2006 19:21:06 GMT
southall gas tower is still, i live around the corner, also that other towere thing is used as flats hth
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